Going to 250 in all the trades (?)

[Hethral]

She followed the same path I did, I did 0-175 in about 6 hours, but that was all done in between smithing combines while waiting for an enchanter to med, so the actual time on brewing was about half that. And until the patch I only had 2 bags I could empty for doing tradeskills. Luckily being a cleric means in my standard gear I can hit 265 wisdom while holding a geerlok with no buffs so skillups come pretty quickly. I'm expecting it to take about 4-6 hours for me to finish off brewing when I get the AA for it.

I also run past the mushroom patch when going from the mold vendor to the forge, so I already have enough mushrooms for 100 combines of the constitutional when I get to it.

[Anduran the Artisan]

I got 1750 a while ago, my path was this.

Smithing: got this done pre nerf yay me

JC: with my refunded regen AA points, took a matter of a few hours

Brewing: Next Easiest, go go Mino Brews!

Baking: Picnics all the way, i 4 box'd to have mules and made MASSIVE amounts of each item at a time.

This was about where it started getting interesting, 3 left, Fletching, Tailoring, Pottery. What I decided to do was go for fletching first, to give myself time to get a pair of Scissors from Shei so that I could gimp my way to 212 tailoring off ethers.

Fletching I did in 1 night, it brought tears, many tears, 650Kpp or so later, 250 fletching and a ****ed lot of swearing in guildchat. Yes, I could have farmed acrylia and condensed substances.... but no, i chose my stupid path and I stick by it )

Next up was tailoring, stupid easy after 212 with sosltice robes, what a joke, I made a profit off it, a big profit.

Last up, Pottery, not fun, enchanted clay sucks and skillups are slow.

Definately the hardest tradeskill now without a doubt is smithing, the easiest 3 are brewing, baking and JC, with tailoring, pottery and fletching being simmilar.

-A

[Kezzia]

605k

I have to ask Anduran...
how the hell did u manage to spend 600k on fletching?
was this a joke or a typo?? :P
I skilled up on bows the other day and spent 100k, and that
was bad enough, and using only 3 different combo's after 200 skill
(dw bows, dw bows 2cams (mostly storebought cams, too), sh bows)
Did you do shaped bows from 200 or somethin?

Kezzia

[Gnastassja]

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..........it made everything else in my post not applicable.

Nothing in your post is applicable (to my posted query). If not for the fact I asked a "general tradeskills" question, this banter between you and I should be in the Brewing Folder. :P

Regardless, and just to make it clear, I did go from 2 to 250 (I spent 1 point in all the trades) on Brewing in :arrow: about (important keyword) 8 hours and that is only for skill-ups. I was merely curious why you took the initiative to pick holes in a post that was asking about the *last* 50 points of the skills. I dunno, I guess some people simply cant refrain from going around picking holes in other folks work. Of course, there are think-tank professions for this in the real world that are perfectly viable institutions for advancement of the human race so I reckon it is a necessary evil. Just surprised me folks would make such an effort to do it in "just a game." And in this instance, it is ME you are pokin' at and I have way too much free time on my hands (most unfortunately) not to take this time for rebuttle. Besides, you boldly labeled me a liar and a cheat, and that's personal!

Anyway, the route I took was not so dreadful as you presume, especially doing it in Qeynos (which may not be as viable on the other servers. At least on the FV server our low population leaves many cities a ghost town so access to the trade devices marks no competition but ocassionally for a forge/the blacksmiths and the lag of over-crowded servers is virtually non-existent in the old-world ghost towns on FV).

=== Is it possible to Skill-Up to 250 in Brewing in about 8 hours ===

First, Some of the Variables (as many as come to mind for me at least)
(aka: a wide range of factors I dont believe were used in Delfonte's formula)
INT/WIS: (game stats, not real-life IQ) :shock:
- Whichever is applicable to your class, get this number to 255 for the fastest shot at getting skill-points.
STAMINA (yours, not the game stats)
FOCUS: (yours, not the looted items)
- Do you get bored quickly, catch yourself daydreaming because click-click-click-combine is far from exciting (especially around the 4,360th click), spend a lot of time in chat with friends or do you better fit the mold of suffering "Tunnel Vision" Syndrome (one who cant look away or stop moving forward until you are finally on the other side)?
** No distractions makes shorter work of things. **
I do my tradeskills during the hours when our merry band of hunters are not online (I'm severely ill thus do not work, and due to the nature of illness I suffer many sleepless hours in excrutiating pain so I'm not usually chattering about except on the run for supplies or that time I spent way too many hours plucking a bzillion more mushrooms than I could have possibly needed for just 2 itty-bitty points. :P)
PERSONALITY CHARACTERISTICS: (see FOCUS &amp; ORGANIZATION)
** Naturally this can cause for extreme variations on the spectrum. **
I'm an extremely methodical (to a fault!) personality-type, I spend more time in preparation and planning I bet than actually sitting down ready to turn out the skill-ups. It's just my insane nature. :?
ORGANIZATION SKILLS: (very important!)
- Open all your bags and line them up accordingly before you begin. Even if you (accidently) close them (or in order to travel for supplies), they will reopen in the same position they were previously set -OR-
- Consider creating a UI-skin just for Tradeskills so you can load your bags and the combine-device as you want them using /loadskin {name of file}. Be careful to avoid using the {1} modifier that will use your current container/window settings rather than the ones set in your alternate UI-skin.
FREAK VARIABLE:
- Do be sure to work with a clean mouse and mouse-pad for ease and speed. (chuckles)
LAG Factor:
- some people have more lag than others, this slows the combine-return immensly as well as makes mouse movements horrific.
- some servers are more crowded than others creating added lag.
- some PCs are better than others so they process faster.
There will always be a variation on speed of combines based the LAG factor.
The RANDOM GENERATOR:
- It's a computer generation of numbers. Some people just refer to getting a skill point faster than others as -pure luck- but I rather fancy the theory of biorythms as the more probable factor in the laws of the universe.

Merchant Accessibility + 110 soft-cap CHA/Ally Faction Provided Below:
In Qeynos, everything needed for the recipes I used was -a hop, skip, and jump- from the brew barrel until you do the Kaladim Constitutionals for the last 2 points. For these: additional travel for corks, yarrow, and soda.. a breeze for the wizard and all those who have PoK (trivial and not relevant to *actual skill-up* time). Thus the Cap'n below is the only real (laughable) distance to travel. Voleen's Bakery &amp; Fish's Ale are right across from each other if you didnt save your Fish from working on your Fishing skill. I saved all mine since I did fishing while leveling up spell casting Abj, Div, Conj I dont use as much as I just *love* to Evo everything.

— For the “Fish Wine” to 62
Captain Rohand : Mermaid's Lure @ /L14,n42
• Fresh Fish, 2s.6c ea.
Karn Tassen : Voleen's Bakery @ /L:n160,n250
• Water Flask, 1s ea.
Fish Ranamer : Fish's Ale @ /L:n290,n270
• Grapes, 2s.1c ea.
• Bottle, 5c ea
— Brew Barrel @ /L:n280,n300 (right behind Fish Ranamer)

— For the “Ol’Tujim's Fierce Brew” to 135
Karn Tassen : Voleen's Bakery @ /L:n160,n250
• Water Flask, 1s ea.
Heidi Grainsifter : Voleen's Bakery @ /L:n165,n275
• Yeast, 1s.6c ea.
• Malt, 1s.6c ea.
Fish Ranamer : Fish's Ale @ /L:n290,n270
• Cask, 3s.1c ea.
— Brew Barrel @ /L:n280,n300 (right behind Fish Ranamer)

NOTE: If skipping everything possible between these brews, just be patient on the first half hour of combines as the points are excrutiatingly slow.

— For the “Minotaur Hero’s Brew” to 248
Heidi Grainsifter : Voleen's Bakery @ /L:n165,n275
• Barley, 1s.6c ea.
• Hops, 1s.6c ea.
• Yeast, 1s.6c ea.
• Malt, 1s.6c ea.
Fish Ranamer : Fish's Ale @ /L:n290,n270
• Short Beer, 1s.6c ea.
• Cask, 3s.1c ea.
— Brew Barrel @ /L:n280,n300 (right behind Fish Ranamer)

— For the “Kaladim Constitutional” to 250
Took me about 10 min. tops for my last *2* points... /cheer!
Karn Tassen : Voleen's Bakery @ /L:n160,n250
• Water Flask, 1s ea. (for Soda Water &amp; Fermented Yarrow)
Fish Ranamer : Fish's Ale @ /L:n290,n270
• Bottle, 5c ea
Remaining Ingredients: Plane of Knowledge has it all (sans the Corking Device and the ground spawns listed below).
Not knowing that zone very well, I purchased from other vendors that a wizard can get to in a blink or while on other errands for other business.
• Soda: PoK: Caden Zharik (gnome fella) @ /L:n344,p756
• Yarrow: Thurg : Hulda (bank)
• Corks: Bom Knotwood (another gnome) @ /L165,n881) - At the Windmills.
• Underfoot Mushroom &amp; a Strange Dark Fungus: Kaladim groundspawn
Many thanks to Therril on Firiona Vie for showing me where to harvest these items from the odd Dwarvish Garden.
• Celestial Solvent to make http://www.eqtraders.com/secrets/celestial_solvent.htmCelestial Essence</A>: Dashelo Dalroshan @ /L:n745,p10 (a poison-making item)
• Corking Device: Tinkered Item - Cost is running around 2-5k on FV.
Many thanks again to Therril on Firiona Vie for loaning me his Corking Device.
— Brew Barrel @ /L:n280,n300 (right behind Fish Ranamer)

NOTE: You do not need as many bottles or casks as you have numbered in other supplies, the recipes will return these on *failures* and the game mechanics are believed to have a hard-coded percentage of fails possible.

THE ALL-IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER:
This is an approximate rate of completion which only accounts for time spent in front of the brew-barrel actually combining ingredients that can generate skill points. Keep in mind there are many varying factors (many noted above) that can/will affect any given individual differently. Furthermore, this does NOT necessarily include travel time for gathering supplies nor does it account for the -trivial- sub-combines needed to continue on the journey to skill-points.

<HR><P ALIGN=justify>Hey, anyone remember the old days when "bags opened last" always stayed on top of "the bag opened first" so you could line up vertical columns for shorter mouse-movements? Too bad those days are gone. Anyway, I've sent feedback requesting that the crosshair for moving containers not appear when the CTRL key is depressed since it is always depressed in TS-mode. Everyone else do the same! (inadvertantly moving bags from their perfect alignment for working on the tradeskills is a huge pain in the arse.</P><HR><P ALIGN=justify>I am not a super-human and I am not a machine, but I suppose I do have some innate personality characteristics that are a facsimile to at least some of the principles I know a machine is built to accomplish and might imagine a super-human would employ. ie: I suffer from tunnel vision syndrome. 8)
............. and the Moral of this Story (err, post) is .............
Your math doesnt seem to account for any of the numerous *other* variables than just a COMBINE + a CLICK = POINT or NO POINT which I am guessing you calculated based on your own personal experiences.

In other words, the amount of time it took YOU to reach YOUR numbers is not necessarily "engraved in stone" when you think about it. Some numbers in the game are hard-coded and this is "engraved in stone" for All. However, the speed at which one person climbs a mountain is not going to be the speed another can reach the top of that same mountain particularly if they didnt follow the same path and most definitely when considering all the other variables possible.

Sooooo, this is why I'm here, once again, addressing you over your determined absolutes: I'm hoping you can find more open-mindedness and possibly more thoughtful consideration over any/all of the possibilities that can affect individual production times. It was just plain wrong of you to jump the gun and accuse someone of cheating and if they didnt cheat then they are lying.

Alas, if you cant find more open-mindedness and possibly give into even a tad bit more thoughtful consideration over any/all of the possibilities: Well then, in the words of Chenier.... "get over it."
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[Turlie Silverwine]

Wow, she was really hoping for a fight, huh?

[Delfontes]

Eh?

Is that the sound of continuing to argue a conceded point?

0-250 does not equal 200-250

Plain enough?

I'll do better, my posts in this thread, gone. Doesn't belong in general anyhow.

[kiatek]

re

i Have to disagree with pottery, fletching and tailoring being about the same in difficulty. With pottery and fletching you have the choice of vendor bought items to use. With tailoring you do not have that choice: you can buy in the bazaar, yes, however you won't necessarily get everything you need when you are working. You could buy everything out, regardless of price, and still not make it.

And I cannot stomach making many more robes now (at 217) I havea success rate ranging from 33-50%. With the past few points taking too many combines, I have way too many robes on my hands. The market just fell out in three days (thanks undercutters!!!!) so now I get to not make much profit at all to spend on more supplies!

Anyway my ranking would be (easiest to hardest)
Cost
1. baking/brewing
3. jewelcraft
4. pottery
5. fletching
6. tailoring/smithing (smithing could be cheaper than a few others if you use shadowscream i am aware of this)

Effort:
1. jewelcraft
2. brewing
3. baking
4. pottery
5. fletching
6. tailoring
7. smithing (shadowscream route, easier if you use sickles)

Really my philosophy has been to work on things that are "fun to me". Usually this means, I see something I want and it is tradeskill made, so I want to make it myself. I personally can make everything except the sickles for POTC. This was important to me, but may not be to you unless i get really bored my smithing will remain at 188

[Bennan]

Easy, is relative to each individual. I am finding Smithing very easy at the moment. But thats because I am getting a good amount of skill ups to a ratio of combines.

I will confine my responses to just the tradeskills I have worked on, as I have not really looked that deeply into the other skills, and I am far too lazy to read back through some rather MEGA huge posts, so if I repeat anything (or am not helpful) just ignore it please. And just relate my experience.

Smithing,
From skill 188 I have done about 600 combines of Shadowscream, and about 80 to 100 combines of Acrylia. I am now at skill 216. I have put roughly a month and a week into getting those items and skill. With about 2 and a half hours average online time per day. I did spend 80 hours farming the Acrylia mines in T.M, but I was doing that to raise cash for a debt and a few things I wanted to buy, a side effect of that was getting 40 odd Windstones. So if you want to count that into the equation, it would not be unfair.

Tailoring,
Currently at skill level 162, I have been working on this skill from about since the start of time. I have stockpiled many combines (I have about 200 I could do right now), and spent so many hours on this, my path is going to be Supurb Rockhopper to 188, H.Q Brute and Flawless when ever I can with the main being Arctic hides and the other Velious Hides (I have about 100 Arctic 70 Cobalt some panther and tigerraptor ready to go, and about 700 I need studs boning for etc). Its also been very expensive, I have spent about 30 to 40k so far on buying hides, velium, making vapors etc etc. I really can't guess at how many hours I have spent on this, and alot of it has been wasted due to poor organization methods on my part.

Brewing
I am a 250 brewing, I did skull ale -> mino brews -> Kaladim. I did it all in about 12 to 14 hours I think. My wrists really hurt.

Baking
I am at 192, I used up all my meats from adventuring (dire wolf, wyvern, drake etc) then did fillets (I think) then patty melts to 191. Anyways, I have only spent 2 to 3 hours on this skill so far. And I don't believe getting to 250 is really going to be that hard, just another click fest. But I am aware that some time has to be spent collecting ingredients and such as well.


I have not touched the other skills as yet.

But if there is one thing I would say about doing any skill, its organizing your time, your components etc. You seem to be a very thoughtful and organized person, if you can create skill up paths, and organize your time to maximise your farming/buying. Thats half the battle won.

I hope I have been helpful, enjoy your Tradeskills, and I hope you will write up your success in each tradeskill as you conquer each one.