Nailing the trivial of the Tradeskill Trophies

[Cloud]

250 fletching
5pct (252 at the time due to cap)
no fails
1 made

for all the others i did as soon as i hit 220 with 5pct
220
5pct
2 fails
6 made

(no aas at the time i made them)

[KyrosKrane]

Cloud, were those combines done in the last six months? The change in caps came in September 2004, well before the deadline I've set. In fact, I specified the six month deadline specifically for cases like this. There is a reasonable chance that there may have been a change to the trophies around the time tradeskills were changed to a cap of 300. I don't know this for sure, but to avoid any confusion, I've chosen to ignore it entirely. This is also the reason that I'm ignoring the restricted tradeskills -- I don't trust that the trophies are identical to those in general tradeskills.

[Diani]

How about the trophies have no fixed trivial and the succes/fail rate from a certain skill lvl is hard coded?

[Ishwar]

For all we know ALL items have a trivial. In addition Items can have a maximum succes rate. There is nothing in the data that indicate the trophies do no obey normal rules.

All available data points to trophies having a 335 trivial and a max succes rate somewhere in the 70-75 range. I find it as least as likely that they introduced a max succes for trohies, as they shoud have changed the trophy trivial.

Actually the data presented here only supports the max succes part, in order to find the trivial you need to do combines with effective skill in the [200-270] range.

[Cloud]

my bad i missed the date

[KyrosKrane]

From Uuvin's post here.

fletching trophies. geerlock +5% mod. fletch mastery 3

Starting Skill 285
Success 54
Fails 14

Starting Skill 286
Success 10
Fails 3

Starting Skill 287
Success 37
Fails 20

Starting Skill 288
Success 4
Fails 2

Starting Skill 289
Success 2
Fails 2

[YurienStonebow]

so Kyros....what does your preliminary data have to state so far?

[KyrosKrane]

I'm not prepared to make any comments yet, since I haven't done much by way of analysis other than straight ratios. So far, those are inconclusive.

However, I will say that Ishwar's post about the possibility of a success rate cap got me thinking. I sponsored (actually, I'm doing it as I write this) about 100 additional attempts in the range of 200-270. That should hopefully provide enough data to establish whether there is a cap or not. Based on that, I can then proceed with the analysis as appropriate.

[KyrosKrane]

OK, folks, I'm getting really close to getting this down. I really, really need data on combines in the following ranges:

Skill 280-290
no mastery
no modifiers

skill 266-276
no mastery
5% modifier (like a geerlok)

skill 270-280
mastery 3
no modifier

skill 257-267
mastery 3
5% modifier (like a geerlok)

Of course, I will happily accept data on combines at any skill level, mastery, or modifer, but I really need data on combines at these points. The graph of success rates that I'm getting is shaping up very nicely.

Also, if anyone is skilling up on trophies, please please please keep accurate records of your success/fail rates and report them here. The more data I have, the more accurate I can make my final estimates.

I'm going to start throwing equations at my data around Monday or Tuesday, so any info I can get before then would be a great help.

[Uuvin]

too expensive for me to continue doing trophies. i am at 289 and farming nightmarewood items. I plan to use trophies on last 5 skill ups. I am working on buying enough gems to make 200 seals. Its going to take a few weeks I am afraid. not enough gems out on the market.

[YurienStonebow]

heh i'm proud of this

Tradeskill: make poison
Starting skill: 275
Skill mod: 5%
Modified skill: 288
Mastery: 0
Successes: 1
Fails: 0

[Paloverde]

Tradeskill: Brewing
Starting skill: 300
Skill mod: 5% (Geerlok)
Modified skill: 315
Mastery: 0
Successes: 1
Failures: 0

Yes, not taking any chances.... hehe.

But feeling much empathy with those many characters who did trophies when the skill cap was 250.

[Lithien]

Tradeskill: Tailoring
Starting skill: 296
Skill mod: 5%
Modified skill: 311
Mastery: 0
Successes: 1
Fails: 0

[Gruda]

Skill: Smithing
Starting Skill: 295
Mastery: Blacksmithing Mastery 3
Modifier: Geerlock 5%
# Attempts: 1
# Successes: 1
# Failures: 0

You have gotten better at Smithing (296)

[Dnalor]

I made my GM smithing hammer 2 or 3 days ago.

251 skill, blacksmithing mastery 3, geerlock

1 combine, 1 success.

bye bye geerlock!