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[Wyvernwill]

I suppose another option would to be make a special parchment that stacks to 200 when using the book. Combine the parchment with a tailoring pattern or armor mold for the respective piece to make the DoN armor pattern/mold. In theory this would reduce bank slots from 24 to 3 per rank of armors.

/derailing off

--Tnexus

If I remember right, this was already addressed in the past. The problem being that by the way that works, instead of only having 20 Chest Patterns and 20 Leg Patterns, etc.... You would be able to make 160 Chest Patterns as the game isn't able to keep track of how many you've made.

Any marking on the tailoring/smithing pattern would still make it a different item and it wouldn't stack. Take A Lucid Shard for example. They are Lore/No Drop items. There are 10 different items in the game with the exact name "A lucid shard" It's also similar with the Faded Salil's Writ pages.

[Bumkus]

I'm currently using up 3 bank space slots for DoN armors that I really can't afford to give up.--Tnexus

Going off memory, but here are the bank slots I have committed to DoN armors:
1. Expert aug symbols (just triv'd out )
2. Master aug symbols
3. GM aug symbols
4. Patterns
5. Aug books, ancestral armor book, parchments, quill, compacted backpacks, etc.
6. Racial Tailoring kit with quill, hides, swatches, and for storing bars and magic clay for Charms.
7. Regular Tailoring kit, for Blessed water, purescale ore, jewelery kit token. (I keep here because I do DoN aug combines in my regular Tailoring kit.)

A lot of bank slots get eaten up for DoN. True you can squeeze patterns of different types into 1 bag, but all the patterns look the same, so it is an organizational nightmare. I was happy to triv out of expert stuff, not for Aid Grimal, not for doing higher level combines, but because it cleared up a bank slot.

I figure I could reorganize and free up a couple slots, but bottom line is that committing 20-30% of your bank to DoN armors is not unrealistic.

[Ngreth Thergn]

I think it is more that the general thought is not for people to be packrats, and collect for 2000 combines, but to go out, collect for a few 100, do them and Viola, the bank is clear.

I do know that we will never convince people to make everything stack to 200.

And I doubt you will convince me to make some things stack more than 20.

[Wyvernwill]

Four of my sixteen 10-slot back packs are in full use for DoN tradeskills.
Bag 1: 7 Stacks of Master's Symbol Patterns + Ancestral Human Armor + Master's Book of Human Culture + Grandmaster's Book of Human Culture

Bag 2: 7 Stacks of Grandmaster's Symbol Patterns + Master's Charm Patterns + Grandmaster's Charm Patterns + Purescale Ore

Bag 3: 7 Stacks of Human Armor Molds + 1 stack of Small Bricks of HQ Ore + 1 Stack of Large Bricks of HQ Ore + Antonican Smithy Hammer

Bag 4: 7 Stacks of Human Armor Patterns + Slot for Metallic Drake Scales + Slot for Glossy Drake Hides + Antonican Needle

Sure, it's four bags used up. It makes my bank space tighter.. but then again, I guess if I really wanted to, I could also lament that I have 9 Lucid Shards in my bank and have for years... why can't they make the emp ssra drop somewhere else so I can make my key and be done with them. At this point, I even wonder myself why I keep them lol I doubt there is much of anything in VT worth my bother.

I currently have Five breastplates in my bank, plus other random stuff that is no longer needed. BiC stuff, other tradeskill stuff... so forth. All 7 geerloks/trophies.

I never really run into much issue on bank space, even though my Paladin collects stuff for every single tradeskill out there. In the worst case, if I know I am not going to use something for a while, I put it in the bank of my bazaar mule. He has about one full backpack of stuff I don't care about keeping on my main cause I won't be using it any time soon.

I am, however, very happy they changed the patterns to stack to 200 (400 wrist) cause back when they didn't stack... yeah, I had tons of issues trying to keep my bank space open.

[Bumkus]

I think it is more that the general thought is not for people to be packrats, and collect for 2000 combines, but to go out, collect for a few 100, do them and Viola, the bank is clear.

I do know that we will never convince people to make everything stack to 200.

And I doubt you will convince me to make some things stack more than 20.

I never have more than 100 combines put together for my tailoring runs. (Just get too antsy for that next skillup.) I do not believe it is the stockpiles of the same components that eat up bank space. For me it is the different types of components. Now admittedely I do not have any alts, so my tradeskiller is also my trader. I use 6 slots for trader bags and vendor trash items when those bags are full. I have 2 full slots of miscellaneous components like needles, hammers, skewers, smoker, collapsible still, etc, and another bag for low end ingrediants like metal bits, pieces of velium, etc. I will only aggressively work one tradeskill at a time (tailoring for now) because I would not have the space for ingrediants. Luckily I do not have all the Grandmaster tradeskill items yet, because then I would have to commit to that mule alt for sure.

The stacking DoN patterns was a big help tho, since the book binding that is used to make the patterns is a non stackable container.

[Calrain]

Kinda my point

As Bumkus is stating here, it's not the single aggressive tradeskiller that I'm referencing here, it's those of us pursuing the multiple trade skills that I think have the most difficulty coming to grips with the decided lack of storage space.
I don't actively pursue any single tradeskill at a given time, I'm always hoarding whatever I can get my hands on, whenever I can get my hands on them. Ooh, lookie a fruit <throws in pack> oooh! Emerald orange! <throws in pack> etc... and so on, dang, where'd I put my no stick frying pan? Oh, right next to my filleting knife (pricks his finger on his his antonican needle while moving his collapsable mixing bowl). Dang, where'd I put my file?.......

That's what I was getting at in my original 'rant'.

Calrain Wolfpacer

[Wyvernwill]

I probably should have been more specific in my post but I am generally working on Smithing, Tailoring, Pottery (now), PoP JC combines, Poison Making, Fletching, Spell Research and a few other odds and ends, in addition to BiC and a few other quests.

Things like grapes, fruit and such, I move to my baz traders bank, simply for a bit more space. But then again, droppable stuff that has no real value unless it was just combined for skilling or to sell or use, pretty much is just as liable to hit the destroy key. I rarely keep junk, unless it's from a new expansion out, and then I try to figure out what it's for before I throw it away.

[Calrain]

But

What I'm saying, as a persistent multi-skill tradeskiller, I have more parephenalia cluttering my bank/packs than I have space for, sure, I can go and make a new frying pan when I decide I need it, or a buy a new smithing chisel, none of these things are overly expensive, nor, in and of themselves overly time consuming to do, but when you consider the myriad of tools of the trade so to speak, the packs become rather full, rather quickly.

Let alone <gasp> do something other than TS, like quest.

Is there any way/desire/thought gone into something similar to the keyring in terms of a toolbelt? Or a toolkit that we can throw tools of the trade into for storage? Or even just make some of the more difficult/expensive tools usable for more recipes? (Tanaan Embroidery Needle/Muramite Needle/Antonican Needle/Embroidery Needle etc etc....) so instead of having effectively 4 or 5 items that are basically the same, only different names....

I dunno, just seems to me that there is a lot of double redundancy that creates a huge amount of wasted space.

Calrain Wolfpacer

[Ngreth Thergn]

Is there any way/desire/thought gone into something similar to the keyring in terms of a toolbelt? Or a toolkit that we can throw tools of the trade into for storage? Or even just make some of the more difficult/expensive tools usable for more recipes? (Tanaan Embroidery Needle/Muramite Needle/Antonican Needle/Embroidery Needle etc etc....) so instead of having effectively 4 or 5 items that are basically the same, only different names....

THere are thoughts on this.

But the current tradeskill system will not allow for it, it would need a code change... and I can't get a code hange for fletching, which though one skill while this would affect more... is more important to me since fletching is in a bad way, and the tool thing is just inconvienient.

[Calrain]

Hey

I'm glad at least you're listening to the concern, and I do hope that I've actually brought something new to the dialogue here and not just a rant. Hate to be counter-productive to the whole procedure.

Just hadn't seen a whole lot of discussion on this sort of thing previously other than people whining about the fact that they don't have enough bank space, none of us do, regardless of whether you're a tradeskiller or not. But hopefully you realise that that wasn't the gist of my discussion here, which definately seems to be the case, thank you for listening and not just blowing me off.

But as I said previously, if I'm just babbling, smack me and send me on a time out

Calrain Wolfpacer

[Bumkus]

I think it is more that the general thought is not for people to be packrats, and collect for 2000 combines, but to go out, collect for a few 100, do them and Viola, the bank is clear.

This cracks me up everytime I read it. It sounds like something my father would have said. Like, "you take an axe into a forest, cut down a tree and, voila, you have a paper factory."

So now, in honor of he who must no longer be addressed directly, i shall end all my skillups runs with a hearty "voila."

[Qaladar Bragollach]

I wish a simple Voila would collect me enough storm volaas hairs for a couple hundred combines.

Can we get that in the next patch please?

[Thalia]

I wish a simple Voila would collect me enough storm volaas hairs for a couple hundred combines.

Can we get that in the next patch please?

I second this. I'd be more than happy to go collect enough for combines and then do the combines. The problem is as a wizard a level 62 mob that summons doesn't let me kite it and I do not have the hit points nor AC to tank them. The low exp in this zone doesn't entice others to join me in farming them either.


Damaya 67 wizard of Prexus

Fletching 232, Tailoring 275, Jewelcraft 291, Smithing 297, Potery 300, Brewing 300, Baking 300, Spell Research 203---way out of bank space on 8 characters

[Ndaara]

i think that is a fine intention, the problem for the crafters i know is, we don't do just one tradeskill, we do multiple ones, and collect stuff for them as we find the stuff for a good price, whether through vendor diving or bazaaring.

this results in a billion partial stacks of a billion different items... i never realized the extent of my packratting until i tried eq2, and found that i had a mere 3 boxes for each tier of crafting, that i just passed through the shared bank to whichever crafter needed them.

coming back to eq1 6 months later, and having 18, 10-slot boxes stuffed full JUST for 50-60 spell research, i had to wonder what the heck i was doing? for the past 4 months that i've been back full time in EQ i've made a dedicated effort to clear out bank space whenever possible.

the result? i never have enough stuff to do more than a few combines, my banks are just as full of my collections, and i get to crash after swapping between characters 6-8 times =p

combine this with nodrop DON stuff that won't fit on a mule, and nodrop quest stuff that also takes up bank space, and even though i have 2 accounts for myself and access to my husband's account too, bank space is ALWAYS an issue.

so while the idea of collecting for a few hundred combines is a lovely ideal, even TRYING to use up my stuff for a few combines at a time, it doesn't help ><

if anyone knows a better way, i'm all pointy ears =)