[Book Text] Poxysmit's Precipitous Parts

[tnexus]

I used about 8 different forge locations making these. I never had a problem wih any tools getting consumed.

[Ngreth Thergn]

whew!

[Verdandi]

Updated those recipes in the database, which I suspect was the source of the confusion. When people don't mention the return of implements, we try to remember to mark them but don't always catch them.

[Redi]

Yeesh... pricey indeed, even with hammer returns. That steel is more valuable than platinum

Still, it looks like the final aug rewards will be nice (and hopefully somewhat obtainable by all); this just means my gnome won't be skilling up off of these.

[tnexus]

(and hopefully somewhat obtainable by all)

Currently the "stones" for the augs are only dropping off raid mobs and hard missions. What's worse is that they're no drop, so the tradeskiller HAS to loot them else they go to waste.

[Brael]

Final combine (one that uses stone) is no fail. Just gotta have a tradeskiller do everything for you.

[tnexus]

Final combine (one that uses stone) is no fail. Just gotta have a tradeskiller do everything for you.

I haven't really looked into this mainly because I'm not going to be getting a stone anytime soon. I just wanna clarify this. Do you combine the stone with something else to make it droppable? And that's no fail?

[Brael]

The stone is combined in a dropable container with other dropable items, whoever loots a stone can make the item since tradeskillers make all the other parts which are tradeable.

[Redi]

The stone is combined in a dropable container with other dropable items, whoever loots a stone can make the item since tradeskillers make all the other parts which are tradeable.

That's my understanding as well. Misc tradeskillers make various pieces. Gnome makes container, which is droppable.

Random dude obtains droppable container, droppable pieces, and no drop stone. Random dude gets aug.

If the augs are only really raid drops, though, I gotta wonder... who are they supposed to be for? Low end raiders, if they can win the event?

High end raiders won't be in cultural, and non raiders won't get the stones. Is this like Veeshan's Peak when it was first revamped, when it was 90% used for raider twinks? feh...
(And I say that as a raider whose twink would like the stuff... it just doesn't seem right to me. Maybe Zajeer's idea is that those are the harder mission rewards, so eventually, it ends up on par with MPG trial drops. *shrug*)

[tnexus]

I'm slightly torn on this. I like the idea of having an option to high end gear being tradeskilled, much like when the new DoN cultural came out. Unfortunately, I'm seeing two problems with this. One, DoN cultural is slot 7. The people being able to aquire the stones in the first place will be largely slot 8 geared people. There are very few decent slot 7 hp/mana/ac augs that high end raiders would use that fit into a cultural slot. Second, if the Chronal/Discordant augs were geared towards middle class players (say MPG Trial level), how many of them are going to have access to the box. I'm currently making it for myself because I'm a tradeskill junkie and want one just because, but the average person on the street is not going to be able to aquire one cheaply if at all. I've used up practically all the refined ore on Prexus just making enough for two attempts. Between buying up all that ore and the 400 trips to Abysmal Sea because I miscalculated how many Gnomish Heat Sources I needed, it's a HUGE undertaking. Not even to mention finding a tinker to do it. I know I won't be giving out my box except to close friends for the sole purpose of being afraid I'd lose it. I'm sure high end guildbanks will have one, but smaller ones won't.

What I'd propose is make it a 50/50. Chronal and Disordant Stones can be tradeskilled while leaving the higher end augs, Bazu and Last Blood drops only. Make it so making the Chronal/Discordant stones takes a good amount of effort, but something that someone can still attain with one MPG par group. This could be a task, various drops around the expansion, or whatever, but so someone could actually do it if they set out to do it. Then the tradeskiller can combine the stone with the other items to somehow make one of two things. They can A.) Keep it no drop with powerful stats, or B.) Make it droppable with a hit to the stats. This not only rewards the tradeskiller, but gives them an option to make a profit instead. Just my two cents!

--Tnexus

[Redi]

... I know I won't be giving out my box except to close friends for the sole purpose of being afraid I'd lose it. I'm sure high end guildbanks will have one, but smaller ones won't.
--Tnexus

I believe that the final box is consumed on combine, so 1 box = 1 aug.

[CaiserSoze]

Yup... the box is consumed in the combine.... =)

[tnexus]

You got to be kidding me... /shudder

Does the holepoker box get consumed too?

[Brael]

Can confirm the holepoker isn't consumed.

[Bethiana]

One, DoN cultural is slot 7. The people being able to aquire the stones in the first place will be largely slot 8 geared people. There are very few decent slot 7 hp/mana/ac augs that high end raiders would use that fit into a cultural slot.

Depending on your definition of High End, the Circle of Drakes Augs are type 7/8, as well as BiC Aug being ALL.

For pure melee, Disk of the Dragon Kind, Grandmaster's Wrist Symbol, and Bazu/Last Blood Augs.

For Warriors, using Bazu, Disk and GM Wrist/Aug it's a 430hp bracer with a focus. Using Last Blood, Disk and BiC they have a 575hp bracer . . .

Once my containers are all made, I'll be sporting this in place of my Qvic bracer, and it's a point I don't have to spend on an Anguish Bracer that gives me a very nice Focus:

Expert's Frostwarded Armband (Augmented)
MAGIC ITEM NO DROP
Slot: WRIST
AC: 40
STR: +16 DEX: +15 STA: +19 CHA: +14
WIS: +19 INT: +16 AGI: +15 HP: +365
MANA: +350 ENDUR: +350 SV FIRE: +18 SV DISEASE: +20
SV COLD: +19 SV MAGIC: +19 SV POISON: +17
Attack: +15
Regeneration: +1
Mana regeneration: +2
Avoidance: 8 Shielding: +4% Spell shield: +2% Stun resist: +2% Dot shielding: +2%
Recommended level of 69.
Required level of 70.
Focus Effect: [link=http://www.magelo.com/eq_spell_info.jsp?num=6479 newwindow]Avariciousness of the Aneuk[/link]
WT: 1.6 Size: MEDIUM
Class: ROG SHM BER
Race: BAR
Slot 1, type 7: Ore of the Nest
Slot 2, type 11: Grandmaster's Wrist Symbol of Judgement
Slot 3, type 12: Bazu Seal of Baleful Breezes

And I can slap 20 more hp/mana and 17ac if I feel like spending the money on a GM Bracer. They sell for around 150k on my server. The Expert's only cost me 100plat.