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**Buns** · 07-20-2005, 07:13 AM

I have been using Halfing Druid Longstrider gear (Expert cultural) as a skill up path for my tailoring. I had 50 pieces up for Baz sale on Povar for 4 weeks priced around 100pp each and never sold anything. This week i reduced my prices to 1 copper, and sold nothing. I have since destroyed/given away all of it. The simple fact is there just isnt a market for cultural gear under master (or even GM). Expert cultural has a req/level of 35 to 45 and is restricted single race and maybe couple of classes, so for Longstrider my target market is restricted to Halfling druid level 35-45 only (mid-sunday was 4 on).
It cant be vendor sold and it cant be tributed (I know his for halfling expert only, cant confirm other races). Add in the fact you need to do the tasks to get the patterns, with mobs that are green or light blue to 55. Then theres all the bank space needed. Not to mention all the farming reqd (must say ####### is a HUGE help on the HQ furs (changed my mind, not saying anything)).
Ok I can think of a few more reasons to not why you wouldnt see these for sale in Baz, but im starting to Rant. Basically if you want Storm chest and you dont see it Baz drop, your best bet is send tells to any Halfing pre-level 55 journeyman smith you can find (needle haystack??), on the odd chance that they are using it as a skill-up path.

**Flehmen** · 07-20-2005, 07:51 AM

G'day,

Well, I've had a fair amount of success with selling Expert Wirewood and Wealdstone pieces. It is good armour for the mid 30s. I'm making about what I put into it cash wise and have used it as a pretty good skill-up path in a mixture of other items I've made.

The problem, as indicated, is that there is no market for it and if you are going to throw a stone on EQ you are going to hit a woodelf. One thing I read in a JC skilling thread and think may apply to the cultural stuff is that:

It is easier to "carry" (in my case, in the bank since I must use the fier'dal forge but tailors have it a little better in that they can create "on the spot") supplies to custom make your armour and advertise it as you run around playing. In my case again, some expert bars, mithril, water of karana, skeptic and Tunare, jade shards(can't do the expert symbols yet), warbone chips all in one kit... takes me 15 min tops if I have to run back to kelethin and I'm not near a POK book.

Now, answer me this, why can't I get an expert boot or helm symbol of storms on the Seventh hammer, I've een looking for almost 3 weeks now and have never seen one. Plenty of chest, sleeve and wrist though.... go figure!

**Kharakid** · 07-20-2005, 07:58 AM

Thanks for reply Buns, Guess I should have given more info, I am in fact in market for the GM bp, and all I see are the augs for sale with no bp to put them in. I have a lvl 25 ranger alt on another server and am keeping an eye out for expert lvl stuff. Heck, at 25 the journeyman stuff would be nice still, I think.

Cupst of the question is why sell a type 11 augment when no one is selling the armor to put it in. I have sent tells to a few peeps selling the Karana stuff with no replies yet. will keep looking. Thanks for info, sorry to hear about PITA time selling the lower end stuff.

**Sharrien** · 07-20-2005, 08:33 AM

Some of the armor slots are really crappy (wrists....yuck!!) and some are only moderate like arms (in my opinion anyway). Not many of the armor pieces move very fast from what I've seen. Legs and chest pieces, however have decent stats, especially ac for the the melee types. When I put master or GM tunics or legs up on my vender they sold within a few days. None of my GM augs sold yet tho, grrrrr.

**Silverfish** · 07-20-2005, 08:42 AM

One Thing to Consider

Kharakid wrote:

"Cupst of the question is why sell a type 11 augment when no one is selling the armor to put it in."

Keep in mind that the type 11 chest augment for Karana is usable by anyone who worships Karana, not just Halflings. Sure, there are a lot of Halflings who worship Karana, but there are also a lot of Wood Elves and even some Humans who could use that augment. Anyone who's able to build a GM augment can make a Karana augment, but that maker might not be a Halfling, and so can't make the Halfling cultural piece you need. But that's not to say they're selling an augment that won't fit any armor for sale, since even Halflings who wear plate or leather could use it, although they'd be wearing armor that you can't use (all Halfling paladins are Karana worshippers, for example).

Your best bet is to advertise that you need the services of a Halfling smith to build Lightring gear if you want a place to put such an augment. Keep in mind that it'll be tough to find someone, but also that you can use a master Lightring Cuirass with a GM augment until you can find someone able to build the GM cuirass.

As to stats on the Lightring, it's reasonable to assume they'll be comparable to Wirewood gear (Wood Elf Ranger-wearable), so check those for an idea.

Silverfish

**Kharakid** · 07-20-2005, 09:35 AM

Very good point Silverfish, guess I had blinders on there. Kinda takes the wind outa my sails. There prolly are items for other races availible that I am just not seeing.

I really need to think more before I speak. <blush>

Thank you!

**Neebat** · 07-20-2005, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by Kharakid

Cupst of the question is why sell a type 11 augment when no one is selling the armor to put it in. I have sent tells to a few peeps selling the Karana stuff with no replies yet. will keep looking. Thanks for info, sorry to hear about PITA time selling the lower end stuff.

I am the proud owner of a Master's Lightring Cuirass with Grandmaster Chest Symbol of Storms. I can happilly say, you don't need GM armor to mount your GM aug. If there is ANY cultural armor out there for your race, then the GM augs have a use.

I know two ways you MIGHT get a GM item crafted.
1. Offer a good amount of cash plus components on OOC regularly till people get sick of seeing it.
2. Set up a Buyer in bazaar and offer 200k+ for the item you need, then advertise it on a popular channel for your server till everyone knows you have a buy-line up.

I specificly say 200k+, because the augs go for 70-100k on my server and you'll need to top that by a healthy amount. You're probably going to pay a premium if no one is bothering to make it.

I want to emphasize and over emphasize the importance of putting up a real offer with a number attached. Offering that kind of cash may even get someone motivated to skill up. My cash offers for anyone to craft a GM symbol seemed work. There's a lot more GM symbol-crafters on my server now. There's a huge difference between these two:
/auc WTB Grandmaster Lightring Cuirass
/auc PAYING 200kpp for a GM Lightring Cuirass

**Eggborn** · 07-20-2005, 09:50 AM

The ability to make the armor requires a quest that isn't all that bad. A lot of people who smith can make themselves the armor or can find a guild member who can do it sometimes fairly easily.

The ability to make the augments requires a quest that can be time consuming and hard to finish. This is more difficult to find someone willing to part with their hard earned symbol patterns. The augments also only take one very hard to get component, rather than up to 3. So, not only are they more versitile to sell, but they take less to make once you have finished the quest that not as many have done. This makes for a better market.

Armor is so specific I would never ever make something that someone didn't contact me to make per an order. I got burned once by someone who didn't want the item after I made it. (to his defense, we did'nt know the stats ahead of time, so I knew this may happen) The augment sold in a day, I still have the armor rotting on a trader.

If I want to sell something randomly, I just go to the barter hall and see if someone set up a buyer there. I sold a few things that way when I aquired materials through a trade of materials instead of pp deal for a made to order. It was symbols though.

I also brouse through the profiles of people on my server to see if anyone would benefit from this stuff and contact them if to see if they are interested in collecting the materials or saving up for a piece of armor I could make.

**KyrosKrane** · 07-20-2005, 11:11 AM

Kharakid, to my knowledge, there are no active halfling smiths on Luclin at the moment. I've been approached by several people about making Halfling armor, and I'm almost at the point where I'm ready to make a halfling toon just to smith stuff. I know I can get to 222 pretty quick, and that's enough to make Master stuff. Getting higher than that, though, would be problematic for me (I hate subcombines), which means GM stuff would be unlikely.

We'll see how it goes.

**Kharakid** · 07-20-2005, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by KyrosKrane

Kharakid, to my knowledge, there are no active halfling smiths on Luclin at the moment. I've been approached by several people about making Halfling armor, and I'm almost at the point where I'm ready to make a halfling toon just to smith stuff. I know I can get to 222 pretty quick, and that's enough to make Master stuff. Getting higher than that, though, would be problematic for me (I hate subcombines), which means GM stuff would be unlikely.

We'll see how it goes.

Major bummer! I have been linking the expert Lightring curiass {sp?} and asking if anyone can make the grandmaster flavor in the bazaar while I sit here getting my furnace replaced. Shot in the dark I know. I am 188 in smithing myself. may just need to swallow hard, make it to 199 and see if I get lucky. I still have not put any AA's into gettin any skills past 200 besides my fletching. Heck, can I even make an attempt on it? I see the drake scales are about 10k each or so on our server.

Now, all SOE needs to do is an ingame want ads like the looking for guild boards or something. Have some feelers out with some friends in other guilds see if they have any smithy's. I may try getting the items needed for a couple of combines and hope for the best and let combiner keep extra's, thats how I got my fleeting quiver so long ago.

I'll keep looking, thanks !!

**Phantron** · 07-20-2005, 12:02 PM

Use the /buyer feature to search for the armor you're interested in. If it's not on /buyer, there isn't even one such piece that exists on your server. Now it is possible that someone can make it but chose not to, but it's usually a pretty good bet that if you see your entire GM armor line missing then probably no one on the server can make it (and conversely, if there is at least one piece then someone somewhere should be able to make the rest).

**Dalmoth** · 07-20-2005, 12:57 PM

Luclin Dark Elf

I skilled up on expert augs for a bit (probably had 50) and over a 3 month period I've probably sold 30 of them. I've sold every peice of Master's level armor I've made after a week or so (except for the bracers). The Grand Master stuff still is around a 60/40 proposition for me and the scales tend to run about 15k really. I've not had much luck buying in less than that.

I'm 2/2 on Grandmaster Combines, but I'm still not sure if there is even a market for that either.

**Kaaba** · 07-20-2005, 01:18 PM

I've made a bunch of armor experimenting (halfling and half elf chain/plate) and skilling up, and have sold a few pieces by luck I guess. I really wish they would at least allow it to be tributeable, it's a money sink but what's the point of making something that has no monetary value whatsoever aside from what a player would pay. The parts for the augs appear much less common and there's really no point in skilling up on them. Plus don't augs require two dropped components?

**Zacatac** · 07-20-2005, 05:15 PM

Armor = Racial based, can be Smithed (plate/chain) or Tailored (leather/silk) only by that race.

Augs = Diety based to use, can be Smithed or Tailored, usuable by all races/classes, and made by anyone no matter what diety.

For example, I'm perfectly capable of making myself a Grandmaster augment for Mith Marr using SMITHING.

However, I'm a High Elf magician, which requires a 300 level high elf TAILOR to create the piece of silk armor it goes in. This I cannot do, and I can't wear smithed armor. Therefore, I can sell the augment to somebody else who worships Mith Marr and maybe put it into a Human plate armor or other race.

Which is why it's easier to find augments than the armor sets. Much less restrictions on making them, and they have less components.

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