Anyone use Salvage yet?

[Cerpicio]

I'm just curious how it works, and how well it works.


Thanks,
-- C.

[Verdandi]

I can tell you how it worked in beta. But keep in mind that things may have changed for the move to Live.

I bought all three levels of it before using it at all. I didn't make any careful notes but my general impression was that it kicked in maybe for 25% of failures or so. It may have been as low as 10% or as high as 50%. Again, just general impression.

When it worked, I got a yellow message saying something about how I had failed but managed to salvage some materials. The materials in question would appear on my cursor, along with any ingredients that are always returned on failure.

When a combine had more than one ingredient that would be lost on failure, I would very rarely get two back. Never got three or more, but I'm going to guess that it's possible, just unlikely.

The item(s) returned seemed to be random. Sometimes it was something cheap and vendor bought while sometimes it was a precious drop.

If someone has AAs aplenty and/or regularly attempts things that are particularly valuable and difficult, I would say it's well worth it.

One thing I don't know is whether anyone grouped with you sees a message when you salvage an ingredient.

Again, this is from beta and may have changed.

[mithridate]

Level 66 Shaman.
Salvage 2 (Salvage 3 is locked until level 70.)

One failed attempt so far: Obsidianwood Bow.
Returned: planing tool and one planar steel cam. Both were returned to the inventory, as indicated by a yellow message.

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update
Failed Emblem of Earth
You failed the combine, but you managed to recover Brown Diamond of Earth. It has been left in your inventory.

[Eleena Transient]

I have rank 2 myself. Have gotten as many as 3 items returned (2 swatches and a pattern, making solstice robes). It appears that the % is checked on every component, not per combine (I'd rarely save when making a item with 2 parts, but solstice with 6 had at least 1 saved more often).

also, there is a bug (I've /bugged it). It seems salvage can fire on things that are returned by default on fails. If this happens you get the one from salvage + the one from the combine. I did a run of GoD arrowheads (file + stone) and ended up with 3 files.

Starting with 1 embrodery needle and 2 gem studded chains, I ended with 12 needles, 5 robes, and 3 chains. Makes skilling a lot cheaper, but obviously not intended

[note: mods feel free to remove the bug report if you feel its an exploit]

[Antha]

Thanks for the information guys. It makes the decision as to getting salvage much easier to make.

Hard statistical data would allow us the nail down the percentages I think. Anyone already planning on doing this? If so, thanks in advance.

[Nolrog]

I sent this issue on. It was forwarded on to QA to investigate. I'll let you know when I find out more.

N

[Aalar]

I am going to get it and I will keep notes. I do a fair amount of combines on stuff to sell - high end pottery stuff - so it just makes sense for me.

Aalar

[Eleena Transient]

Prelim findings show that salvage rank 2 is offering a 15% chance per component.

On 3 component fails (crushed tunare dust/tunare silk):
0 - 16
1 - 3

On 4 component fails (ethereal curing agent):
0 - 1
2 - 1

On 6 component fails (solstice robes):
0 - 18
1 - 28
2 - 10
3 - 1
4 - 2


As you can see, even from this Small data set, the 3 component fails returned "something" only 16% of the time where the 6 component fails returned "something" 69%. That leads me to believe the check is made per component and not per combine. When adding it all up I got 64 of 419 components saved, 15.2%

I'm guessing that salvage 1 will likely rank at about 5% (to late for me to test), and hoping salvage 3 will go to 25% (I doubt we'd see as high as 30-35%).

If someone has a level 55 alt with 0 brewing, you could get salvage 1 and just churn out mino brews (nice high skill for lotsa fails and high components).

[Smitheeanches]

salvage bug

I bought two levels of salvage before i started work on the tailoring and fletching part of the gimil earring. Last night I had about 40 combines worth of solstice robes to combine.

So i set up in pok, with 10 combines attempted i failed all of them but i got a salvage message on at least 50 percent of one material or another < swatch or pattern> but i did not recieve the item on my cursor. On the 11 combine i got a message that i had something in my hand <which i didnt> and than was booted to desktop. When i returned i counted all of my supplies and i had one extra swatch than when i had been booted. Out of the first 30 combines i had a rather large amount of salvage messages but recieve nothing until several combines later when i would be kicked to desktop. Id say i was booted about 7 times in those 30 combines.

So i thought maybe its a zone issue. I than went to abysmal sea where i i tried last 10 combines recieved no salvaged items back and was booted to desktop 3 more times. Tailoring was bad enough before this now I can barely stand to try any combines. I almost wish i could refund the salvage because id rather fail and lose than fail and get the desktop.

I have bugged it on my server havent heard of it this problem with anyone else but than again no one i trade skill around has bought this aa yet.

Smithee Anches
66 enchanter twink
The Nameless
Legacy of Steel

[Xorithra L`Amante]

I have rank one of Salvage and am also on The Nameless. The only tradeskilling I've done since has been the fletching and tailoring progressional quests in GoD. I might have failed 10 times in the 800 combines that I did and I salvaged one thing from those ten failures. No bugs though. I'm thinking about putting off my last GM runs (fletching and tailoring) on hold to raise my wisdom cap with levelling and AAs, but if I do a run and get that same boot to desktop bug, I'll let you know Smithee.

[Eleena Transient]

I just got the ctd bug in PoK on Terris Thule. Failed a Magnetic BP, saved 2 parts, and poof.

BTW - when salvage works, its not on your cursor, it simply does not take the item from where it was in your inventory. So if you had a stack of 12 patterns, and you salvage one, then your stack is still 12 instead of stack of 11 and 1 on cursor.

This might be the first stab at fixing the issue with duplicated items (such as duplicating smithy hammers, files, solstice chains, etc...)

[Smitheeanches]

Did another run of 20 before raid time. First combine i got the salvage than crashed. I rebooted and got annoyed. SO this time i went back in and did a combine got a salvage and thought maybe im trying to do my next combine too quickly ill give it 30 seconds. But the item never appeared on my cursor. However in my annoyance i stepped away from the loom and it closed when i re-opened it my salvaged items 2 swatches were in the loom. So for the next 18 combines when i would get a salvage i would close the loom and open it back for my item to be waiting for me inside.

Smithee Anches
Lvl 66 enchanter twink
The Nameless
Legacy of Steel

[kylln]

I currently have 2nd level of this and tried combine for Magnetic Leggings but the combine failed and it said that i salvaged mangled magnetized leggings ... which i paid 30k for to try the attempt .. but the mangled magnetized leggings never showed up on my curser or in my inventory put in a petition but i doubt anything will happen so im sure this aa is bugged atm and sucks to lose that much (btw i have smithing mastery 3)

[kylln]

Btw i was doing combine in pok and oviously in a world container .. and in expierament mode ... i just went back 5 hours later to same forage hit expierment and legs were there!!

[Eleena Transient]

Hmm, then it appears that salvage in world containers is the issue. My suggestion is to just do what 'Smithee' did and close the container after each salvage to force the items to appear until they get this resolved.