bitter about the 2 strikes against melees in skillups

[mikebridge]

casters/priests get to take their 'skill up stats' up to 355 w/ AA's
casters/priests/hybrids all get their 'skill up stats' by default on their gear.
so in addition to the cost of increasing a skill being greater for a pure melee w/ more attempts required per skill point, they also have an additional cost of having a 2nd set of gear, or just strike a balance between those points, it still costs pure melee more time and PP to raise skill points

(yes, i'm bitter while trying to raise tailoring for aid grimmel, don't get me started on spending 18AA for an earring that will be outdated when OoW comes out-maybe an augment/charm that improves based on how high your tradeskills are)

[splunge]

casters/priests/hybrids all get their 'skill up stats' by default on their gear.
so in addition to the cost of increasing a skill being greater for a pure melee w/ more attempts required per skill point, they also have an additional cost of having a 2nd set of gear

When i was still on my way to 1750, I had a second set of gear too, it was about 6-7 peices of very heavy WIS gear, stuff i wouldnt normally wear when solo/group/raiding. Id imagine that INT casters who arent in elementals and up have a couple peices of heavy INT/low everything else gear for tradeskilllling as well.

And as far as 'Skillup stats' on everyday gear... theres very few 'pure melee only' peices of gear in the game comapred to 'plate/leater/silk/chain only' or 'melee/caster only'
You didnt mention your class, so ill use warrior as an example.
Except for quested gear, which is very often class only (Ornate/elemental/Thurg/Kael/SS etc..), im willing to bet that all your gear was designed for plate only, which will have WIS on it for the clerics/pallys and INT on it for the bards/SKs. The same goes for chain and leather.

Theres probably a very very tiny amount of monk gear that doesnt have WIS on it, because the other 2 leather classes are druids and beastlords, both classes heavily dependant on mana, and a good chunk of non-druid monk gear is actually monk/beast only gear, and has wis/mana.

So, im not really sure where youre comin from. If youre having problems finding tradeskill gear in your bazaar, then im sure we here can come up with a list of suggestions your class can wear that you should be able to find without too much hassle.

[mikebridge]

monk, actually, and yes, after hitting the bazaar + getting a mind buff (KEI or tranq) and tribute, i can get just over 280 (my cap atm, haven't had spare points for planar power yet) in just wis (not int, and have a 2nd set of items to bump up CHA for merchant interactions), but go over to www.eqrankings.com and check out profiles, there's a noticeable drop off in pure melee's int/wis depending on what their guild has access to raid-wise, versus casters/priests/hybrids.

[Froni Thunderpaws]

I am probably not one to talk since I am not in the 1750 club or trying to do the Aid Grimmel earring (gasp), but even as a WIS caster I have tradeskill gear versus hunting stuff - in fact I would keep switching between CHA gear and WIS gear while tradeskilling and mana gear when hunting. I agree it is a lot worse for pure melee, but I think a lot of folks will have multiple sets of clothes for different activities in the game.

[mikebridge]

tradeskill gear vs normal gear
notice that i only keep 3 items between the 2 sets (and yes, i use different food/drink for tradeskills, but couldn't figure where to swap those in the alt profile), and i still require tribute + KEI to cap wis at 280 (let alone when i buy PP and cap goes to 305)

[lonewylfe]

I can't even get up to 280 with KEI on my ranger, using her second set of wis gear. And no, not every hybrid gets skillup stats by default on their gear...I'm just now getting gear that has any wis on it at all.
But like you said, it really depends on what people have access to raid-wise...I know that until I started getting Ele stuff my wis was actually lower than my husband's warrior (kinda embarassing!)

Didn't that formula they released make it sound like it'd be better to have a geerlok equipped instead of another wis/etc item?

[Nolrog]

I have three sets of gear for my ranger tradeskiller. I have my normal fighting gear, my STR based smithing gear (gets me to 240) and my WIS based other tradeskill gear (gets me to 201 or 204 (non KEI), been a while, so I don't remember exactly.) If they add DEX as a secondary stat for tailoring (I think I read that somewhere) then I'll get a fourth set of DEX gear for that one (getting DEX gear for fletching is not high on my list yet, so I'll probably stick with my WIS gear.)

[Sharrien]

On my main, a 65 beastlord, I've leaned toward gear that increases WIS over most other stats since it is one of the few I can't max out with self buffs. Right now I don't need a kei and can use a geerlok while still at my cap of 305.

But yes! I am a little bitter that my chances of a skill up are permanently limited by my WIS cap. Especially when I see one futile stack after another of flawless hopper hides or tunare silks disappear into the wide open jaws of the Tailoring Beast.

Sharrien Dreamstalker
Elder Feral Lord
Fantasy Awakened - Vazaelle

[Dumpty]

I don't notice any skillip rate changes in any of my ats provided their skillup stat is "200+"

[Zacatac]

Considering I did the majority of my skillups during my earlier days with lower end gear and less than 200 INT, I'm not sure why you're complaining about having only 280

[Saleani]

Go to Maiden's Eye. Beat up some level 58 4-arms (the lower level ones have a much lower drop rate) to get a axgoreth belt. Thats 15 wis/int right there. Next time you visit some LDoNs, roll for a +wis/int augment (I wore that belt as regular armor for almost a year, and leveling up in that zone so much, all my alts who can wear that belt have one, its reasonably common). Or spend the 350 or so points for the +10 wis/int aug (wis is sold in nro from my memory). If you are a warrior, go pick up a Emerald dragon tunic in the bazaar. Going past SolB any time soon? Beat up King Tranix for what most folks consider junk, the polished metal torque. Those 4 things combined should give +58 wis. Are you a quest hound like me? Then stop on by katta for your loyalist shield of honor. Thats a nice +15 wis back item, or a 50ac back item (which is in the top 4 back items for ac), or a 75hp back item, which ever excites you more. I can now hit 305 wis without getting a c3 or using +wis food or drink (tradeskill suit on my magelo profile is a little out of date), from 99 when naked.

5 items, 4 slots, for +73 wis. I used to have 2 bags in the bank devoted to tradeskill gear, I am down to 1.

Getting your wis/int up is a tradeoff. As a hybrid, I had to make those tradeoffs all the time.

[borblefoot furtoe]

GM Tailor here Went all the way to 242 in tailoring before I got my first planar power AA and raised my wisdom from 285 to 280 and did the last 8 points at 285.

I guess I don't really see what your problem is. SMithing the next tradeksill up for me is currently at 180. I will most likely GM that skill before I see 300 wisdom. Not to mention all those who GM'd Smithing or Tailoring when the max wis/int was only 255 with no way to go above it.

Borblefoot Furtoe
Storm Warden
Resolution
Firiona Vie Server

[Jaasper]

Got a comment or two on an LDON adventure a while back where the only people rolling on a +5 WIZ aug was me (Rogue) and an Warror.

Yea the wis/int thing has always bugged me but I got over it (and got my earing).

[Kemie Dreamshadow]

My druid's wisdom is currently capped at 255. I've hit 250 in pottery, JC, brewing, and tailoring with that wisdom or less, and everything else I've taken now to 200.

GM'ing any tradeskill is hard. Period. But I can certainly remember from the days when I was using various kitty alts in order to do the Shar Vahl sonic wolf bane weapon quest that in spite of limitations on their wisdom, some of them did quite well getting skillups in their class specified tradeskill.

I also know that my poor ranger had a lot of trouble with baking way back when until a druid friend stripped himself of all the wisdom equipment she could wear, after which she skilled up faster.

Nothing is impossible. And many tradeskills have a second check other than wisdom or intelligence that can be applied to skilling up. /shrug

Persistence (aka stubborness, insanity, etc.) has always seemed to me to be the key. LOL

[Pootle]

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yes, i'm bitter while trying to raise tailoring for aid grimmel, don't get me started on spending 18AA for an earring that will be outdated when OoW comes out
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