Nimren Stonecutter out of stock?

[karisun]

Nimren Stonecutter, the dwarf in Thurgadin that sells Coldain tempers, is no longer selling them.

Is this just on my server or is this server wide?

Just wanted to know before I petitioned.

Thank you in advance.

K

[Auricula]

This is intentional and across all servers for the time being.

When Sony tinkered with some vendor sell/buy back prices in the last patch, they broke CVTs. Nimren was selling them for the whopping price of 0p 0g 0s 0c.

A sigh of relief was heard all over Norrath that a Water Flask now costs 5c instead of 1s. ::Shrug::

[Krazick]

It is server-wide. Due to a bug where Nimren was selling them for free.

They tried doing a Perma-kill on him, but there were other issues with that solution.

The temper can be brewed up...

[gathrintain]

he wouldn't stay dead, anytime someone did the ring war in GD, he respawned.

People had hundreds of them for sale in the bazaar for 5-15 plat on Rodcet nife.

[karisun]

Thanks everyone - been absent from EQ for a little while due to RL stuff.

I know they can be brewed, but I just buy them usually as a time saver when I can afford it.

K

[lasertop]

We'll that explains that, I bought 500 of them for 10pp each in the bazaar. It still is a deal though. Normally I would have paid the dwarf 26pp each.

[Gaell Stormracer]

Good news for our Brewing friends, I'd say, at least once the 'stolen' tempers have all been used up.

(By the way, this is the solution I thought was the best way to deal with the whole problem).

[vovinit]

Gonna be a long time before those tempers are out of the market. If somone filled up all the mules they could on a server with 8 slot bags and your looking at over 30k tempers. Per indivudual that done this. This bug was up at least for a full day. And he re popped the next patch too for almost a full day. I think it would be a conservative estimate that at least a dozen people took advantage of this per server. Most likely alot more. Not including those who 2 box. I have a feeling it's gonna be a long time before brewers can compete with these folks.

[Handor]

/boggle

So as it stands right now (at least from where I see it):

NO Vendor selling tempers right now. So honest tradeskillers have two choices, brew them up themselves (we need about 800 for our next batch of tailoring attempts -- that's way to many celestial essences) or buy them off the vultures (er, "sharp people who saw an opportunity and took advantage of it" as one of the vultures calls themself).

And in the meantime, the vultures (er, "people who saw an opportunity") PROFIT off the bug. Personally, I'd call that an exploit? But I guess each person has their own set of ethics (or lack thereof)...

This 'solution' sure seems wrong to me. I'd much rather they do a search on the database, find anyone with more than 100 or so and delete those. I can't imagine anyone legitimately stocking over 100 that they purchased -- and if they did, they can petition and I'm sure the GM's can review logs and find where they purchased and replace.

Then they can restore the vendor and honest folks can once again avoid carpal tunnel to do some tailoring/smithing.

Perhaps on prod servers you have a plethora of folks who live to port to CS and buy algae to make tempers for you -- but on Test the number of 'legitimate temper makers/sellers' can be counted on one hand... after a really really bad chainsaw accident. None.

[Balkin]

Last night on Xegony

3 people selling CVT's... All with literally many HUNDREDS of them!!!

All priced at 25 and 26pp...

Go ahead, try and tell me they brewed them themselves.

They KNOW he don't sell them anymore. And might not ever again, though we don't know one way or the other. This is price gouging of the greatest magnitude.

"Vulture" isn't nearly malevolent enough to describe them. What I would suggest they do with those STOLEN tempers isn't very nice, or pretty, and would most definately require a trip to the emergency to RECTify the problem.

[Dunthor Warsmith]

I can't imagine anyone legitimately stocking over 100 that they purchased

My standard store is 120, and has been for a long time now. It varies lower, when I do velium-related smithing runs, and higher, right after I do a run of tempers, but between 100 and 120 is where I like to sit. That provides me a nice buffer if for whatever reason I can't get to CS for a long time, or don't feel like making a bagillion CEs but still want to do velium smithing. I purchase from Thurg only as a last resort, since the extra 16pp per combine adds up FAST.

I can't imagine I'm the only one who does this. So just 'deleting of CVTs of anyone with over a hundred' would cause a LOT of headaches for legitimate people, and I'm betting a lot of difficulty for GMs from petitions (which they may or may not even be able to fix) and plenty of (legitimately) disgruntled players who've lost a significant amount of work.

[br]

All priced at 25 and 26pp...

<snip>

This is price gouging of the greatest magnitude.

If they *did* brew them themselves, it isn't much of a gouge at all. The Coldain Heater itself costs ~3pp each if I remember right. It also requires 4 celestial essences, which typically sell for between 5pp and 7pp, I think (been a long time since I looked at that market). The Coldain Velium Temper, brewed, using CEs made from storebought Scent of Marr, costs roughly 10pp each, so selling at 26pp is a 16pp profit. If they just sold the CEs straight up, that would be between a 14pp and 22pp profit, for significantly less work (no CS trips, no extra steps brewing heaters, no chance of failure).

Doesn't particularly sound like price gouging to me, although we might have different definitions That's why I got out of the CVT market, because it just wasn't worth it for the effort involved.

Then again, if they are just 0pp bought tempers, all of that is moot, but I just wanted to make the point that if they *weren't*, that really isn't much of a "gouge."

[andyhre]

What I don't understand is why they don't make these available for sale at whatever price they think makes sense, and then simply have the merchants pay 1cp (or nothing) to rebuy them.

If you sell a nice magical item to a merchant by mistake, you see that the price can go up much more (as a %) than if you sell a peridot.

If the concern is that a very large number of these were purchased for free, and that the purchasers could sell them back at a gain, just don't let the merchant buy these.

If the concern is, instead, that the Enchanted Velium Bits recipe is too easy and they want to add a subcombine to make it harder to skill up smithing (and, incidentally, tailoring as the CVTs are used there too), that's a different matter.

But one has to wonder why storebought is such a problem with smithing when JC (to 250), brewing (to 248), and fletching (250, albeit expensively) have storebought paths.

[borblefoot furtoe]

Also think of all the poor people who ruined their othmir faction because you could buy your tempers in thurg. They now have two choices.

Go do a lot of tedious faction work, or buy from those who are taking advantage of the situation.

/em is gald othmir like him


Borblefoot Furtoe
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[Pootle]

Bah, the only ones for sale now on my server bazaar are - 35pp each.

Talk about trying to rip off tradeskillers.

[Sariss]

I find it interesting that on Luclin there are hundreds upon hundreds still for sale from those who got them for free, but the price has stayed pretty constant at 10pp each or less while on other servers it's gotten very expensive. Then again the economy on Luclin is rather borked up, lotta impatient 12 year olds in the bazaar who either sell really low or really expensive. /shrug I guess we had more people farm more than other servers or we just don't have as many tradeskillers.