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**Astroshak** · 05-04-2005, 03:48 PM

Yul, those arrows sell so slowly its not worth hoarding them for our bazaar IMO.

As the guy above me suggests, tribute em. They're too costly for people to shoot without EQ, and there simply are not enough EQ rangers for one person's skilling, much less everyone else's skillings.

**Xislaben** · 05-17-2005, 11:27 AM

skilling up

Not 250-300, but it may help in understanding the new skillup formula... I just hit 200 from 168 with about 351 combines.

int = 290
class 1 wood silver tip arrow (182)
Tip.... Fletch.. Nock... Shaft.. Triv
Silver. Round... Large.. Wood...

attempts .. skills .. suc/fail
20: 168 -> 172: 17s 3f
20: 172 -> 177: 17s 3f
20: 177 -> 178: 15s 5f
20: 178 -> 179: 20s 0f
20: 179 -> 181: 19s 1f
05: 181 -> 182: 05s 0f

class 6 wood point arrow (202)
Tip.... Fletch.. Nock... Shaft.. Triv
Field.. Ceramic* Large.. Wood...

attempts .. skills .. suc/fail
20: 182 -> 182: 15s 5f
20: 182 -> 183: 17s 3f
20: 183 -> 185: 18s 2f
20: 185 -> 187: 17s 3f
20: 187 -> 189: 18s 2f
20: 189 -> 190: 19s 1f
20: 190 -> 194: 18s 2f
20: 194 -> 196: 19s 1f
20: 196 -> 196: 20s 0f
20: 196 -> 197: 18s 2f
20: 197 -> 199: 16s 4f (1 skill on a failure)
20: 199 -> 199: 19s 1f
06: 199 -> 200: 06s 0f

**Deloehne** · 06-27-2005, 11:05 AM

Does Zone enter into it?

Here is something unusual that I experienced.

1. Using the 2nd yr veterans reward my Wis/Dex was 255 for the first two sets of combines below, and 260 for the 3rd set.

2. First and third sets were done in Natimbi; middle set was done in Guild Hall

a. Set 1: 2 and 1/2 stacks, 5 skillups from 232 to 237

b. Set 2: 14 stacks, 1 skillup to 238

c. Set 3; 4 stacks and 8 additional combines: 5 skillups to 243.

Does it make sense that the zone you are in has that kind of effect, or is it just that 237-238 is a tough road? I am enought of a statistician to say that it would be trivial to demonstrate statistical significance to the skillup rates between GH and Natimbi in the absence of other explanations.

**Elyssanda** · 07-08-2005, 04:18 PM

ok.. small sampling.. from 264-268 I averaged 1 skill up per stack or less..... think I actually got 4 skill ups in 65 combines or so.
I hit 268 last night, will keep better track from 268-300. GOtta make a new woodelf fletching kit though, lost mine... on an alt somewhere i'm sure......

**Deloehne** · 07-12-2005, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by Elyssanda

ok.. small sampling.. from 264-268 I averaged 1 skill up per stack or less..... think I actually got 4 skill ups in 65 combines or so.
I hit 268 last night, will keep better track from 268-300. GOtta make a new woodelf fletching kit though, lost mine... on an alt somewhere i'm sure......

All my stat texts are in boxes awaiting an office move, but if memory is working, assuming a 3% skillup rate is 'normal'

Assume Normal approximation (actual distribution Poisson, but law of large numbers applies; further the variance and the mean from the normal approximaiton are nearly equal as would be the case if Poisson)

14 stacks x 20 = 280 attempts
3% of 280 = 8.4 expected skillups
hypothesis SD = sqrt(280 * 3% * 97%) = 2.85
Students t = (8.4 - 1)/ 2.85 = 2.6
The test is one-tailed.
Reject hypothesis at .5% (99.5% likely hypothesis is incorrect).

The sample size seems to me to be adequate

**Elyssanda** · 07-12-2005, 04:35 PM

OK. Found my fletchign kit (yay didn't have to make a new one)
starting at 268 & Mithril champion arrows not learned recipe yet.
F,s -learned recipe,s,s,s,s,s,s,s -Ting 269,s,s,s,f,f,f,f,s,f,s (combine#20)
s,s,s,s,s,f,s -Ting 270,s,s,s,f,f-Slavage mithril fletchings,s,s,s,s,s,s,s,s Combine #40),s,s,f- Salvage Mithril arrowheads,s,s,f,f,f,f,s,f,s Ting 271 (combine #52)
Stopped for the night.. will continue keeping track as I go.

**Elyssanda** · 07-17-2005, 10:15 PM

288 INT and 325 Dex
f,f,s,s,s,f,s,s,f,f,f,s(TING 272),s(combine #65)
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Int 306, 324 Dex
s,f,s,s,f (mithril shafts recovered)f,s,s,s,s,f(Mithril nocks AND fletchings both recovered)s,s,s,s(combine 80),f,s,s,s,s,s,f(Mithril arrowhead recovery)f,s,s,f,f,s,f,s(ting 273)s,s,s,f(mithril fletchings recovery)f(#100 combine)

**Elyssanda** · 07-20-2005, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by Elyssanda

(Mithril nocks AND fletchings both recovered)

note.. I only have Salvage 1 and I DID get a return of 2 items.
________________________

Int 239, Dex 378
s,s,s,s(Ting),s,s,s,s,f,s,f,s,f,s(ting),s,s,f,s,f, s,s,s,s,s,f,s(ting),s,f,s(Ting)s(ting)s,s,s,s,s,s, f,s,s,s,f(recevered mithril fletchings).

**Elyssanda** · 08-10-2005, 09:52 PM

hmm.. somewhere around I have the info for 279-287.. will have to hunt it down, but it wasn't bad I rememebr that..was averaging 5 in Approx 60 combines I think.
This info is for 288-290
s,f,(288 & Salvage fletchigns)
f
2s
f
10s
2f
4s
f
12s(ting 289)
12s
f
2s
f
6s( 290)
28s
5f
8s
f(slavage fletching)
8s
f

**Ysall** · 08-11-2005, 05:02 AM

Dex 450 - No Geerlok, Salvage 3, No Fletching Mastery
282 to 291 - 220 combines of GM Trophy (9 skill ups - 28 fails)

Dex 460 (Used Tribute to Increase Dex Cap) - No Geerlok, Salvage 3, No Fletching Mastery
291 to 294 - 39 combines of nightmarewood compound bow (3 skill ups - no fails)
294 - 20 combines of stonewood compund bow (zero skill ups - no fails)
294 - 30 combines of obsidianwood compound bow (zero skill ups - no fails)
294 - 5 x combines of primordial driftwood bow + 3 x combines of featherwood compound bow (zero skill ups - no fails)
294 - 22 combines of bazu bone bow (zero skill ups - no fails)
294-295 - 60 girplan arrow combines (1 skill up - 2 fails)
295-299 - 100 combines of GM Trophy (4 skill ups - 6 fails)

Dex 550 (Used Tribute to Increase Dex Cap, and short term shammie buff in guild hall) - No Geerlok, Salvage 3, No Fletching Mastery
299 - 160 combines of GM trophy (zero skill ups, 12 fails)
299 - 12 girplan arrow combines (zero skill ups, 1 fails)
299 - 8 elemental bows (assorted) (zero skill ups, zero fails)

The irony is that my worst run in terms of skill-ups came when I had Dex at the stupidly high level of 550

**Thalia** · 08-12-2005, 10:08 AM

Zone

Originally posted by Deloehne

Here is something unusual that I experienced.

Does it make sense that the zone you are in has that kind of effect, or is it just that 237-238 is a tough road? I am enought of a statistician to say that it would be trivial to demonstrate statistical significance to the skillup rates between GH and Natimbi in the absence of other explanations.

I never heard anyone post anything before on this but thought I was just imaging things. I have noticed an increased number of failures in zones that have more lag. I failed a number of trivial combines regularly in PoK that I didn't seem to fail on as much in other zones. After failing Artisan's seals 2 times in a row I took my combines to Felwithe and only had successes. Since then I will not do my precious combines in any zone that I'm experienceing high lag. If I have to do PoK combines I wait until early hours of the morning when it's less populated to do them. Call me paranoid but I was getting frustrated on having a huge number of fails on trivial items. I just wish I had noticed this when I was doing all those Halas 10lb meat pies way back before they gave us this new tradeskill ui.

**Ysall** · 08-17-2005, 05:36 AM

Skill-ups 282 to 300

Number of Combines for 282-300

Primary Stat - Dexterity=460
Salvage 3, no Fletching Mastery AA

Nightmare compound bows - 40
Obsidianwood Compound Bows - 45
Stonewood Compound Bows - 30
Featherwood Compound Bows - 5
Primordial Driftwood Compound Bows - 20
Girplan Feather Arrows - 95
Bazu Bone Bows - 40
GM Fletching Trophy - 366
Estimated Freebie Salvage Recombines - 50

Total Combines (282-300) - 681
Average combines/skill-up - 38
Worst Run with no skill-ups (299 to 300) - 237

And finally, number of velium bars used (262pp each) = 2928

**GigantuousOfPovar** · 08-17-2005, 07:51 AM

Okay..here are my totals also as a barbarian warrior.

Salvage 3, no Fletching Mastery AA
Dexerity - 330

Nightmare compound bows - 125
Girplan Feather Arrows - 82
Bazu Bone Bows - 23
GM Fletching Trophy - 310
Estimated Freebie Salvage Recombines - 40

Total Combines (282-300) - 580
Average combines/skill-up - 32.22
Worst Run with no skill-ups (293 to 294) - 106

Total 1.6 million pp = 2759pp per each attempt/89,000pp per skillup point.

And finally, number of velium bars used (262pp each) = 2480

**Celeste** · 09-08-2005, 12:53 PM

Full post at
http://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq/show...537#post160537

Salvage 3, Fletching Mastery at Level 3
Dexerity - 450. Wisdom / Intelligence 415

Nightmare compound bows - 498
Girplan Feather Arrows - 91
Bazu Bone Bows - 46
Stonewood Compound Bow - 32
Primordial Driftwood Bows - 203

Estimated Freebie Salvage Recombines - 3

Total Combines (282-300) - 870
Average combines/skill-up - 48.33
Worst Run with no skill-ups (290 to 291) - 197

Total 2.0 million pp = 2298pp per each attempt/111,111pp per skillup point.

Number of hours farming Earth and Water, 30 minutes - 4 hours every night, for 5 months.

Celeste

It's good to be done, although looking at the numbers, I have a suspicion that Fletching Mastery 3 actually made skill ups harder to obtain.

**CaiserSoze** · 09-28-2005, 09:11 AM

Little more data to add
Total combines from 287 to 288 - Trophies only
Salvage 3, FM 1, DEX at 540 (ancestral aid+wunshi in guild hall)
45 Artisan Seals used
40 successes
2 pure fails
3 fails with knife recovered
4 fails with artisan seal recovered
49 total combines

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