Vegetarian skill ups

[Silound]

Assuming you could be ok with using Eggs that are foraged, or dough that is already made and bought by you from another, you can do Lotus Pies up to 236. Lotus parts arent meat, they are vegetables

[splunge]

He specifically mentioned in one of his posts that NO EGGS of any type are acceptable. Its not the process of getting the eggs, its the philosophy and diet that restricts his use.

[Silound]

Hence "if you could" statement. My fault, I didnt make myself clear there.

[solecism]

What COULD Yieu eat?

Sure this thread has been dead for over 2 years, but finding this in a search result really got me to thinking about Yieu's situation. I understand his question addressed what recipes he could make for skill under his restrictions. For the most part, I agree with previous skill paths for Yieu, except for:

• Cheesy Potato Soup has, well, cheese in it.
• Dwarven Salad, Elven Salad, and Erudin Salad would be good replacements to 132, all vendor stocked:
  * Dwarven Salad: lettuce, vegetables, dwarven dressing (spices, jug of sauces, 2 dwarven ale).
  * Elven Salad: lettuce, vegetables, elven dressing (jug of sauces, vegetables, vegetable oil).
  * Erudian Salad: lettuce, vegetables, erudian dressing (jug of sauces, vinegar, garlic).

About restrictions against rennet:
I didn't understand what rennet was when I read Yieu's restriction against it. Miriam-Webster's says where it typically comes from (eww I did not want to know) and its uses in dairy industry, although in RL there are also rennets made from vegetables only, for example http://www.cheesesupply.com/product_info.... I do not know the history of vegetable rennets, to infer if these would be available in Norrath. To assume that all rennet sold in game is animal product is likely also to assume that all cheeses (gouda, mature, or just 'cheese') in game are made with similar products. Also, rennet is used in butter recipe, so anything that has butter in it is restricted also!

I found this thread while searching for the great "Everything Edible" thread. I began to crossreference them, to find out just what COULD Yieu eat in the game?

I started with his restrictions, expanding them beyond baking recipes to make certain assumptions about store bought food:
* Rule #1: just like RL vegans, when in doubt of its purity, don't eat it. Example: summoned foods (bread, cake) and Rations are restricted.
* If it had a race's name in it, it most likely was not because it used that culture's wonderful recipe but rather that it used that race in the recipe. Example: Dwarf Pickles. Exceptions: Dwarven Salad, Elven Trail Mix (quest reward in FV).
* If the food's name is completely made up but its icon looks like something looted from an animal or a pie or sandwich, restrict it. Example: Holpa Glub although the item's lore confirms my suspicions.
* If it's bread, sandwich, pie, cake, or pastry, it'd take either egg or butter and so restricted. Example: Mushroom Bread, Honey Mush Bread. Although I did google some recipes for Mush Bread, Spoon Bread, and such; generalizations were inconclusive, both with and without eggs by variety.
* Soup and stews pretty much assume that it is made just from water and what is listed, without meat broths unless stated in its name. Examples: Vegetable Soup, Herb Stew are both ok.
* Alcohol! Since most people on such a restrictive diet based on beliefs also abstain from alcohol, I merely could have ruled out anything which contained booze (Dwarven Salad has Dwarven Ale in it). Then again, who knows what the dwarfs brew their ale from, those dirty little beasts. For my purposes, though, I allowed alcohol. It simply wasn't restricted in Yieu's own words. Besides, European monks make some really really enjoyable alcohol.

In the splitting hairs department, all baking recipes for Ice Cream (except for Ice Cream Cakes or Ice Cream Crunch) are vegetarian to make.. mostly. The recipe itself is vegetarian, but the tinkered Ice Cream Churn that it'd be combained in is made with 3 severed feran tentacle and an icy gelidran hide. Rule #1 would rule out all Ice Cream. Such frivolous pleasures are not for the holy and pure, anyway.

I think a simpler, more direct way of assessing ok to eat or not would be to judge the cultural values of each vendor, or more radically, each store or even each city. In Freeport West, Boomba the Big sells dwarf pickles, palladin pickles, etc., so if I were Yieu, I would boycott this vendor. I started scanning vendor lists to see if it was possible to even find food from trusted sources, and yes it would be, although hardly convenient. But then, convenience has little to do with real vegetarianism. I didn't follow through with complete analysis of blacklisted vendors and such because I really wasnt that curious beyond is it possible or not. Rivervale is an ok starting point for vegetarian vendors, as are most 'gardener' NPC's across Norrath.

So after some copy/paste, and a whole lot of deleting, I trimmed down "Everything Edible" to just "Everything Vegetarian". Out of 1319 edible foods (as of most recent update prior to PoR), only these 129 are Vegetarian, listed in order from least nutritious to longest lasting:

Hot Oatmeal
Olive
Chocolate
Nepeta Cataria Mint
Lime
Almonds
Hard Candy
Tasty Candy
Freshly Cleaned Vegetables
Garlic
Ginger
Ginseng
Ground Pepper
Handful of Tea Twigs and Leaves
Hot Red Pepper
Jumjum Stalk (vendor sold)
Jumjum Stalk (ground spawn)
Jumjum Stalk (mob dropped)
Kromdul Carrot
Lemon
Miller Carrot
Mint
Moldy Tea Leaf
Nutmeg
Onion
Payala Fruit
Pixie Powder Cinnesticks
Prickly Pear
Shredded Coconut
Small Salad
Swamp Vegetables
Sweet Green Pepper
Tea Leaves
Vegetables
Marinated Mushroom Bits
Ashweed
Azure Nightshade
Bag of Sea Salt
Bamboo Shoot
Berries
Black Root
Cactus Pulp
Carrot
Cheese
Cinnamon Sticks
Creeper Cabbage (notrade)
Deep Forest Mushroom
Emerald Orange
Frost Turnip
Fruit
Glow Lichen
Gorge Moss
Grapes
Honey Berry
Hopeless Willow Moss
Kejekan Palm Fruit
Letalis Zenith Vine
Lettuce
Lichen Roots
Marr Cherries
Mushroom
Plains Roots
Rathe Berries
Red Sands Cactus
Ripened Yellow Starfruit
Roots
Ruhiri Berries
Shrub Lettuce (notrade)
Speckled Toadstool
Sylvan Berries
Thunderhoof Mushroom
Turnip
Twisted Tuber
Wild Blueberries
Wild Cabbage
Wild Crimson Berries
Wild Radish
Apricot Marmalade
Bag of Caynar Nuts
Cream
Creamy Fennel Sauce
Dark Chocolate Creme
Darkpine Acorns
Dawnflower Seeds
Dried Payala Chips
Dwarven Salad
Elven Salad
Erudian Salad
Honeyed Payala Jam
Medium Salad
Pouch of Kejek Catnip
Ro Dates
Rockweed Bulb
Royal Mints
Thick Lotus Paste
Chunk of Sensate Reishi
Brasha Berries
Green Radish
Jungle Pineapple
Mist Myre Pudding
Nepeta Mint Chocolate (temporary)
Pouch of Frozen Roots
Spikerattle Root
Steamed Vegetable Feast (temporary)
Lucky Cabbage
The Luckiest Cabbage (notrade)
Tropical Melon (notrade)
Vegetable Stew (notrade) (from casino)
Elven Trail Mix
Large Salad
Rujarkian Potato
Vegetable Soup
Cluster of Kelp
Herb Stew (notrade) (from casino)
Jumjum Salad
Midnight Tangelo
Icy Mushrooms
Jaggedpine Stir Fry
Emerald Leaf Greens
Planar Fruit (was Justice Fruit)
Spiced Heartfruit
Spiced Heartfruit Greens
Deep Cavern Toadstool
Habanero Pepper
Ohabah Truffles
Karana's Heartfruit Salad
Rye of Eternity
Shrieker Spores
Dried Seaweed

Most of these are foraged, or made from foraged parts. It is ok for the vegetarian character to not have forage skill himself, as long as friends or trusted sources keep foraged foods for him. As in RL, modern vegetarians get their food from trusted stores or from gardeners they know.

Since Yieu is a monk (or was; /shrug), weight and food density would also be a concern. Dried Seaweed is not only the nutritionally densest vegetarian food, it's also the densest and longest lasting food in the game, about 24 min longer than MTP or Hero Sandwiches. Good thing it's also a recipe to gain skill with, as listed before by others.

Drinks were much less restrictive, as you can imagine. The Liquidized Meats and Qeynos Afternoon Tea were restricted, but very little else.

/hypothetical brainfart off
What a pleasant distraction. -=\=-

[Turlo Lomon]

I think I found the solution.

Karana's Heartfruit Salad (Rainwater Dressing + Spiced Heartfruit Greens)

Looking at the individual ingredients, Rainwater Dressing requires palm leaf, two types of water, and a moonstone crystal. The greens consist of emerald tea leaf, speckled pine fruit, waterleaf scale, cinnamon sticks, heartfruit walnut, and more water. End trivial is 308.

And it's entirely vegetarian!

(PS, I love that you are roleplaying something like this. I had my druid roleplay a true protector of animals and a group got mauled by a kodiak bear becase I was purposely trying to heal the bear instead of them - I did warn them... repeatedly)

[Ngreth Thergn]

An there is a semi-vegetarian piece from PoR.

Treant Heart. It is from a tree. A Plant. So the tree walks and talks, but it is still a plant

There are MANY recipes for Treant Heart.

[solecism]

I looked into the new recipes so far, and above 200, they all take egg. I got my hopes up too when I saw Treant Vegetable Sausage but it requires a sausage casing which takes a drake intestine, clearly an animal part.

Turlo, I think you've got the right idea. I overlooked that recipe because of its rain water, which I thought was only dropped from gnolls. I guess it's not at all a part of the gnoll anyway. But it's also foraged in BoT. So yes, Yieu could skill up on Karana's Heartfruit Salad from 202 to 300. That would require elemental plane flagging, and an enormous amount of foraging in those planes. But, theoretically just as possible as gathering the mushrooms, wild cabbage, and other forages. Nice solution!

edit: Leave it to Karana to provide the vegetarian answer, haha! Goddess of life and growth.

[KyrosKrane]

Karana most definitely portrays himself as a he, not a she. =)

[mewkus]

edit: Leave it to Karana to provide the vegetarian answer, haha! Goddess of life and growth.

I suspect Solecism just got Karana and Tunare confused. Karana is the rain god, while Tunare is the nature god (just jumble up the letters in nature and you get tunare).

[Shadowpyre]

I didn't see Jaggedpine Stir Fry listed as a vegetarian option here.

Baking Components: non-stick frying pan, plant shoot(2), vegetables

Trivial at: 244

All foraged in Jagged Pine.

[Gaell Stormracer]

This is all a bit silly. EQ is not a game for Pacifists -- there's no realistic way that a character can progress at all without killing. A monk that can go out killing 'monsters' in their own domains is no reflection of a pacifistic Buddhist monk - the historical martial artists upon whom the Monk class in EQ is based developed techniques for defence, not for attack. Things like pixie powder cinnesticks require killing pixies to get that pixie dust. And killing Treants simply because they are not made of meat, but ARE sentient and (generally) peaceful beings, is a mockery of the basic credo.

A true Pacifist in EQ would be level 1 - they would not even leave the Tutorial A zone because it involves killing a Kobold Jailor.

[Minta Rose]

Could log out an' log in an' "Return Home" an' go questin' from there.

[Ngreth Thergn]

I say more power to the ones that want to do vegetarian skillups. If they want to roleplay that way, no matter how the work the conflicts... more power to them.

That said. I will NOT be specifically making vegetarian recipes. If something happens to come up and makes sense I will do it, but I do not plan on making a specific effort either.

[Ndaara]

i had a real problem with the lack of progression paths, without killing, when i started playing EQ more than 6 years ago (can it be that long?). coming from a FPS background, i was sick of killing things and wanted something completely different. when i was first told about EQ i thought i'd found my new route to peaceful entertainment: Questing!

alas....

i got over it by justifying my actions in various ways. one character only killed "ugly" things, but i ended up finding beauty in so many new guises.

To this day, i avoid killing anything that's not already scowling, and if there's a way to work faction up without killing (handing in red wine in Neriak, i think it was?) i'll try to do that just to give myself fewer KOS things.

on the other hand... Norrath does not lend itself to logic. it is possible to level without killing (i've done it to level 12 or something) but generally it does mean you have to let someone else do the killing for you: bone chips in Kaladim, crushbone belts and pads, that sort of thing.

i'm all for roleplaying and roleplayers =) it's fun, adds an extra layer, lets people explore different aspects of themselves, all that good stuff.

my groups don't always like it though. my druid won't kill bears or wolves, and she can and WILL let you die if she's healing, and you intentionally pull them. she does give warning, and you better believe her! =)

i think it's great that the monk is trying to be a vegetarian. it may not make much sense in the world of norrath, but it works for him! and that's what counts.

[munwin]

Role playing is all fun and games till you get a Warning on your account for locking people in the bank vault of Freeport (1999) while playing a Halfling Rogue who follows Bristlebane.

Back on track...If someone wants to play a vegetarian monk and only eat veggie foods?(YEAACH) who cares. want to play a Druid who wont kill bears? who cares. Why call them stupid and dumb. Im a level 70 Halfling, i still go to Misty and slaughter every Bixie i can find to limit the numbers of the little buggers.

Munwin