Stupid Celestial Essence

[eqNichola]

What's the point of Celestial Essence? Is it part of some bizarre economics experiment to find out the exact exchange rate between time and pp? Is it part of some massive exercise to deliberately annoy INT casters, by making their higher end research components even harder to find on merchants? Is it *just* a time/pp/aggravation sink, to put some kind of amorphous brake on the rate post-Luclin tradeskill products enter the world?

Was it (conspiracy theory) originally designed by someone who didn't know that a good-for-making-celess component could be store bought? Imagine having to farm/mine a component for every celess you wanted! That would truly suck.

As it stands, it is a minor but constant pain in the neck that makes *absolutely no sense at all*. Answer me this: what would the negative effects be of this proposal: change every recipe that currently requires a celestial essence to require a celestial solvent; and double the cost of celestial solvent.

Positives: massive reduction in carpal tunnel, mid range research components appear on merchants again.
Negatives: NONE... oh, except for those people who are making money by spending god knows how long click click clicking to provide the baz with thousands of celess. To you people I say: you MUST have something MORE FUN to do?!

[Idara]

LOL. Yes, usually I do have something more fun to do. But I usually make 10 stacks of the CE's before I log for the night and put them on my trader. Then if I wake up early enough the next morning I make 10 more stacks to restock her before I go to work. I put them at 5pp each, and usually end up completely sold out before I get home. So that nets me about 1400pp to pad my bank account. Right now I'm using it to finish my run to 250 in pottery. As soon as I hit that I'll be using it to finish the loooooong and painful haul to 250 in tailoring.

[Rissenn]

Hehe..I have just started to try to get things together for a Solstice earring...among other items 21 celestial essence.

I agree with you that they are an annoying pain in the a**, but at the same time...some people manage to make them and get a few PP for them.

Good for them. From now on, I will more than happily buy them for some Plats rather than running around with mortar&pestle and solvent held high wildly screaming "That Words mine!!.."

[Tobin Itharel]

Leave my Celestial Essence business alone and go mind your business. I dont use your "higher end research components " as I buy my supplies off the vendor in PoK. so GO AWAY.

[Pojodan]

It's an obsticle.

They're very well aware of the ammount of clicks it takes, hence why every new recipe uses it.

If you can stand to make X # of clicks to get a skill up (Or willing to farm X pp to give to someone in exchange for those clicks) then you're worthy of that skill up.

It's a terribly troublesome method of doing it, but it's a sizable deterent to people who want to just get 250 skill with no work.

[Dunthor Warsmith]

CEs are just so frustrating. I make them in batchs of 40-200 for my own uses, and usually run through that in about 2 weeks when I'm *not* actively tradeskilling. So many combines, annoying non-world container Mortar&Pestle...

Yes, people make money off CEs. People make money off of *everything* that's annoying in EQ - time consuming quests, time consuming hunts, subcombines, you name it. I'm still boggled by the prices charged for Ping Fizzlecutter's Forumla 5000 and Coldain Velium Tempers, both of which are *storebought* for far less, simply because they're inconvient.

I remember them mentioning adding a multiple-yield formula for CEs ... I wonder if that's still planned. I don't mind the plat expenditure, and I don't really mind the running around (even prePoK), but the sheer number of clicks and the need for a slot-taking M&P is really frustrating.

It's a terribly troublesome method of doing it, but it's a sizable deterent to people who want to just get 250 skill with no work.

Most of the modern no-work people have the plat to burn (ala the market flooding/crashing rants) so the fact that there is a booming CE resale market in the bazaar preents this from being much of a deterint in that fashion, at least from what I can see. Plus most skills have plenty of high end routes that don't require CEs, that they can burn plat on instead. CEs to me are less of a deterant to levelling, but more of a deterant to actually making certain recipes, like CVTs and Holy Cakes.

[caena]

the need for a slot-taking M&P is really frustrating.

Yay Collapsable Mortar & Pestle!

Support yer local gnome. Tank yew.

Caena Trimalchionis
56 Enchanter
Divine Comedies on Karana

[Dunthor Warsmith]

I don't care about having to buy/sell the M&P. I get bugged by having to nuke a rentable 10slot bag to make room for it. Collapsable containers don't change that. World containers do

(and yes, I've considered getting a Black Marble M&P, but while its 10slot, it has no WR which would be a hard change, since I normally ride very close to my weight limit without loot, and depend on WR to be able to loot anything))

[borblefoot furtoe]

You should invest in a colapsible mortar and pestle. It is well worth the investment.

When you need your Mortar and pestle to make CE's summon one up then toss when your done.


Borblefoot Furtoe
63rd Season Druid
Firiona Vie Server

[scarbrowed]

I have a similar problem to Dunthar. It's tough just to empty out my Vale Sewing Kit so I can use it. So Collapsable M&P does not help me.

On the other hand, I have enough strength to carry a Marble M&P. Now I just have to find a GM Potter who can make one for me.

[Moraganth]

Is it *just* a time/pp/aggravation sink, to put some kind of amorphous brake on the rate post-Luclin tradeskill products enter the world?

yes

[Eumerin]

Every time I check the price on Solusek Ro, Celestial Essence seems to be selling for just a little above the cost of its parts which strikes me as rather odd, as the only reason to have large quantities of it is to use it or to sell it to other people. Its not as if people typically have hundreds of spell components waiting around to be combined into Celestial Essence.

[Doebi]

I find it interesting that anyone uses looted components to make CE.

You can buy all the ingredients, as standard stocked items on POK. The Essence of Marr are about 1.6p each.

Most of the dropped components that are usable SELL to merchants for more than that. Why would you use an item that sells for 2 or more plat?

[Sulkano]

Well, before PoK existed, there was only one vendor in norrath (if i remember right) that sold Scent of Marr....in EC, and she wouldnt sell to many for faction reasons. I made many a CE during exp groups as the components dropped.

[Eumerin]

When I was off on my soloing trips to LGuk, it was not uncommon for me to run out of space due to the quantity of research components dropping. When I started to fill up, I would simply whip out the celestial solvent I carried with me, drop it in the mortar with a research component, and hit combine. While the research components stack, you never seem to get the same component twice. Space problem solved, and more room for fine steel weapons drops.