No More KEI for Lowbies...

[Doebi]

Darn, time to put my 31st level enchanter back on role playing.

About the only positive that KEI brought to MY (alert, opinion to follow) game playing was the benefit of not having to run my enchanter anonymous or RP.

Yep, sure was handy having a cleric with unlimited mana, but I will trade group members that learn a class for that any day.

[Bennan]

exploit to gain an undue advantage.

Exploit is a bit harsh. KEI on under level 46 players has been around for ages. Verant must of known about it. One can even go back as far as Kunark with Heroic Bond, and casting that on lower level players. I just don't understand the logic behind having something in the game for so long, that is so obvious then changing it all of a sudden. You can still die with KEI on you, or whatever buff. There is still inherent danger. Fighting from a position that mobs can't strike you, or fearing a mob into a wall is what I call an exploit. Anyone can have KEI or other high level buffs, it just takes money to pay for them. You still have to work for that money if you don't have that resource, to continue getting these spells cast on you, as well as collect items on your way up etc.

Ever conssider what this means to the level 20 cleric without a KEI?

Its an even battlefield, anyone can get KEI. Not everyone can get a Fungi Tunic, or have a 50plus Druid minding them. Thats the real disadvantage that comes from this. 20th level cleric without KEI, can go get it cast on him, to even himself up with others. Whats a warrior supposed to do when another warrior has a Fungi Tunic ?

And lets be realistic, even with KEI I couldn't hold 3 camps, unless someone cleared them all for me first. Which would be more in the lines of powerleveling.

[Jannelle Silverthorne]

Now may I direct you to another huge exploit that should be fixed...Fungi Tunic. Can anyone tell me why this works on someone under level 45? It's 22 per tick regen. It needs to be nerfed in much the same way as the WotFS was nerfed.

Fungal Regrowth

Fungi Tunic is 15 hp/tick not 22.

And at an average cost above 50kpp and a very rare drop rate now it's a very limited problem compared to the KEI/HoV/FOT7 issue. And if SoE thought it was that big a deal, why'd they add Frogloks to it when they intentionally removed Val'Shir from it when Luclin released.

While we're at it, lets nerf all Haste items so they don't work on lower levels so people can't loan/buy their twinks 36% haste items. Course it might impact someone who's adept at playing the Bazaar for money who legitimately earned enough cash for a fungi tunic or cloak of flames but isn't over your arbitrary limit of 46.

[Railina]

Its an even battlefield, anyone can get KEI. Not everyone can get a Fungi Tunic, or have a 50plus Druid minding them. Thats the real disadvantage that comes from this. 20th level cleric without KEI, can go get it cast on him, to even himself up with others. Whats a warrior supposed to do when another warrior has a Fungi Tunic?

Both require the same thing, or one of two things. To get either one, you must have the plat to afford it or the high level friends to get it for you for free -- nothing more, nothing less. The primary difference between the two is that fungi doesn't wear off, you pay for it once, and have it forever. Kinda like FT, which still works on low levels. hmmm. . .

I think what you meant to say is that a cleric with KEI is like a warrior with Aego/Virtue. . . which they also removed. And that a warrior with Fungi was like a cleric with FT.

And lets be realistic, even with KEI I couldn't hold 3 camps, unless someone cleared them all for me first.

Any competent cleric can break a camp of even or lower mobs if there is room to pull one of the mobs out of the camp. After that it's only a matter of whether you run out of mana or mobs first, and with KEI the mana lasts longer.

edit: i'll grant that saying three camps was a bit of exageration used to prove a point. Even with KEI, a low-mid 20s untwinked cleric can't hold more than 2 camps of dark blue to even mobs unless they are undead or small camps.

[Zodiakk]

KEI is a **** drug =(. Im glad they nerfed it because i was burning all my precious tradeskill money on it. oh well... back to the good old cleric!

[Qutie]

Since a lot of my downtime was spent playing low level alts who I often buffed (SHAMELESSLY!!!!), this will affect my playtime and the enjoyment I got from it. And, I'm kind of sorry about people in EQ not able to say no... when I've been busy doing something else, I've had no problem saying no... to rez requests, buff requests, whatever. Rude people just made it onto an ignore list. If more people had tried that instead of whining about people asking for buffs... (OMG!!! that newbie asked me for HoV... Save me, Sony, Save ME!!)

give me a break. :roll:

However... I do believe in the interest of fairness that all moneys made previously on whoring these buffs should be deleted, or the items deleted from inventories... after all, you're supposed to Play the game, not whore your buffs in the nexus.... of course, since no one under 46 was supposed to have KEI or Virtue or whatever else someone is whining about... lets get rid of all those skill points people got while using such buffs... either to hunt the materials to use or in the actual clicking ... makes sense yes? We weren't supposed to have it... we shouldn't be benefiting from it now....

And, while I never had a problem traveling to rez people in need, I now see that Rezz's should be level limited as well. After all, I had to level 2 characters up to full in the old days....yep...back when nasty clerics would tell you someone of your level wasn't worth the trip. Why should anyone now get enjoyment from the game? The first years of EQ sucked royally in a lot of ways. When Verant ran the show, I used to Swear that it was a sadistic lab experiment by them to see just how much lousy treatment people could and would take and still pay for.

Oh yes... lets go back to those times, hmm?

I wouldn't wish some of that stuff on my worst enemy...why do some of you want everyone else to go through what you did?
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So, once again, in the interest of fairness and all things old are new again, I suggest we all request a level limited rezz, port, sow, levi, invis, str buffs...after all... you shouldn't have them at your level, should you?
Well... should you???







*and for those that have absolutely no sense of humor or those that are so full of themselves ... I'll say... for the moment, this is a sarcastic post. But... let me have a bad day... and, Boom! it's walk and take the boat... and, you can get that experience back in a couple hours easy sorry, too low to rezz you. .... after all, you want everyone else to be just like you, yes?

[Moraganth]

...why do some of you want everyone else to go through what you did?

exactly... so.. why go back to the time when kei and other buffs would land on someone too low a level? Even though it was only a short time ago.. it's still going back to what some precieve as "the good old days."

KEI, HoV.. buffs of that nature were destroying the game at the lower level. Sony could do one of two things... remove that ability so as to try to regain a symblance of a game that is from level 1-65..... or leave them and conceede the game is hopelessly broke by people who thing the game is from level 65-65. If peopel cannot see and understand how these buffs where destroying the game, i pity the shortsightedness.

[Lilosh]

remove that ability so as to try to regain a symblance of a game that is from level 1-65.....

*snicker*

And limiting the buffs will do that?

I could have a SK to 50-60 in a week as is.

[/response to Moraganth]
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(This is the beginning of my own rant on the subject, not yelling at Morganth)



Now, If I may move to a wider note then just the recent buff restriction,

No combination of required levels, recommended levels, or god knows what will stop people from finding a way to level as fast as they want.

Some people like to be high level. The whole "The game should be a journey , not a destination" DOESNT APPLY TO EVERYONE. If your fun is the journey, that's great. My fun is being 50+, and killing big stuff.

My fun is not being level 3, and grouping to kill a moss snake.
My fun is not Paladual Caverns. My fun is not crushbone.
My fun, also, is not spending pointless hours Not Playing the game, because I am doing dishes, laundry, or reading a book while my level 40 meds back to full health.

I'm quite tired of all these people saying that people who rush through the game are playing the wrong way. NOBODY IS PLAYING THE GAME THE WRONG WAY, unless they are breaking the EULA.

People who insist that the only right way to play the game is to take your time are no different then people who insist that the only real way to playt the game is to PvP. Or the people who claim the only way to "Really" play the game is in PoTime with 500 AA.

Please stop telling me I am wrong from playing differently then you. You play your way, I'll play mine, and I'll ask you not to antagonistically gloat when they make a change that reflects one play style over another.

If one more person tells me that I am wrong for wanting to solo, wrong for wanting less downtime, or wrong for wanting to level fast, I am going to go crazy.

Amen, Hallelujah, Merry Christmas, and someone get me an aspirin.

[/soapbox]
-Lilosh

[splunge]

Ive bought literally a couple hundred thousand plat worth of gear in the bazaar, gearing up my alt-ranger very nicely (Its a lvl 46 anger i made on E'ci, not my main one on Test server).

I never farmed cash or gear to sell in the bazaar. I never 'worked' the bazaar (buy low, sell high etc).

I did it by dumpster diving, buying mostly tradeskilll items (occasional other items) and selling them a smidge below market price (often selling to resellers, ended up reognizing many of them by name).

I could probably sell all that gear, but a fungi, CoF and t-staff and start a lvl 1 monk that would be almost unkillable until lvl 35.

But why?

[Qutie]

here's the difference between me and you... I wouldn't presume to tell You how you should be playing the game, I'll thank you not to tell me.


During main time, we're in the elemental planes working to advance to PoTime. During my off time, I liked to mess around with baby chars. It's harmless, as they were never meant to group unless with others like myself, I had fun running around leveling them up to a point where they could farm tradeskill stuff if I needed and they were fun. Of course, I was also one of the evil ones...MGB'ing HoV in the nexus or PoK when I was done raiding (if I still had an MGB up) :twisted:

(shrug) sorry you feel that you had to have a say in how I spend the time my $12. buys.

I hope the smugness expressed in some of the posts here brings you much happiness, I would hate to have that kind of bitterness in a group... with or without the KEI/VOQ you might bring.

oh... and to the person that was upset about people asking for KEI intstead of VOQ, even tho' VOQ was "better" it's all relative... if you couldn't find a chanter to group with you because they were out solo'ing multiple AA's per hour, you wanted a buff that would last a bit

[Lothay]

This subject has been chewed to death.

And some of the posts have gotten rather heated.

Some posts dance pretty close to the "personal attacks" line too.

So, it's closed.

~Lothay