Why no Froggie Beastlords?

[Lyron]

Why can't Frogloks be Beastlords? They're an animal race, and they can be shamans. Heck, they realized not allowing a hybrid class when the casting class existed was logically inconsistent in Halflings and Gnomes, and they went back and fixed it. Is it because the original frogs in Guk could only be warrior/cleric/shaman/pally/wizzie? Using that as a reason is just stupid. Beastlords didn't even exist when that the zone was made. Is it because the global file is getting too big (so that they can't put in a distinctive pet)? They just put in a scarecrow illusion as a TOY.
It just doesn't make any sense.

[Cantatus]

The explanation I heard on EQBeastlord was that it was the Vah Shir who started the Beastlord class. When the route to Luclin was discovered, the Vah Shir spread their knowledge to the other shamanistic races. However, the frogloks weren't really a sentient race that was traveling to Luclin to learn this and even if they could, they wouldn't retain the knowledge.

So when Marr enlightened his Frogloks to invade Grobb, there weren't any Beastlord Frogloks in existance, and so it wouldn't made sense for them to add them as a class... yet.

I suppose it's possible that some Frogloks will eventually take the time to learn the ways of the Beastlord from the Vah Shir though. Personally, I'd love a Froglok Beastlord.

[OberonMiM]

Im still wondering why half elves cant be sk's

I mean they already have sk guild in freeport/neriak

and everyone knows the only tollerable half elves are those with dark elven heritage :P

[Moraganth]

Why no Froggie Beastlords

better question.. why frogs at all?

[Itzena]

Because frogs are the best of all the races that SOE has added post-launch, of course. :P

[Lyron]

As to the HEF SK question, I had always though that Half Elf specifically referred to a cross between a Wood Elf and a Human, since both the High Elves and the Dark Elves would never defile themselves by being with a Human. Wood Elves are more relaxed, about everything. It's unlikely that Innoruuk would ever grant SK powers to anyone with good elf heritage (although if they just want to worship him without getting anything in return, that would be fine with him...).
I was unable to find a reference to HEFs specifically being HUMxWELF on the official website, which makes me nervous I may have read it in the Prima strategy guide (and we all know how reliable that is).

As to the Froggies not being sentient, well, I suppose it's possible, but seeing as how there are already Mith Marr worshipping BLs in Halas, I would have thought they would have picked it up rather quickly. I mean, they have domesticated animals running all around their city, and even an NPC Animal Trainer.

And as to why frogs at all, well, they had to pick SOME race to keep up the expansion cycle. I mean, alternating expansions there is a new playable race - Look at it - Kunark, Velious, Luclin, PoP, and now Ykesha. And you have to admit that froggies had captured the imagination of players even before Ykesha - everyone knew what FROAK! meant, even players who had never spent time in Guk. And given the popularity, okay, even excesive popularity of the new race, I think they chose well.

And no, I don't think it was fair of them to take Grobb. Why not just redo Guk into 3 zones instead of 2?

Edited expansion statement for clarity.

[Kirstin Thornhill]

I see the next (free) expansion opening an evil side of the frogloks. No 'new' character models, just some new classes, and maybe a few new zones.

Very like Paineel was to the Erudites. Look for the "third Guk" to open here.

When that comes, maybe the good Frogloks will get Beastlords added to balance the upcoming evil.

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For marketing purposes, I also understand them opening a solely good class race first. You tie up character slots with toons you grow to like, and then buy a new account to play another you want to like...

Also, too many people play evils, and SOE wants some balance, especially on the PvP servers. Opening a new race and making it all good ensures that the people that must 'try every flavor' are playing a new good character.

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As for Dark Elves and High Elves not being willing to mix with humans, what makes you think these relationships were always done with willing partners? Literature has many stories of the unwanted bastard child that goes out to become the hero... (And yet another reason against a half-elf learning the cultural tradeskills of either parent race, but that is another rant entirely...)

[OberonMiM]

Half elves are NOT just wood elves crossed with humans

Otherwise the whole HEF can wear all elven cultural excuse falls to peices

If they didn't have DEF heritage they wouldn't be able to wear the old de cultural (you know the ones that humans COULDNT wear)

[Aoladari Raveynfyre]

I want a Froggie Rogue.

the end.

[Lilosh]

Frog Monk > You.


I want frog monks, PLZKTHXLA~



-Lilosh

[Lyron]

I knew someone was going to bring up half-elven children of, shall we say, less than voluntary parentage. I still think that in most cases, high and dark elves would take, shall we say, drastic steps to keep such children from being born. If we get any more specific than that, Niami WILL lock this thread, as she should.

I don't see cultural as being a problem. Generally, (non-imbued) cultural can be worn by anyone of appropriate size who wouldn't have an extreme aversion to the race in question. The size restrictions are a little tighter than the general armor restrictions, but that is to be expected in finer pieces - I mean, t-shirts come in fewer sizes than fitted shirts. Good elves (ELF, HIE) wouldn't be caught dead in inkie stuff, and vice-versa, but HEF's who grew up in a human city may not feel the same way. And as for the imbued stuff, well, let's just think that the gods take care of their followers, and see to it that the armor shrinks or stretches as needed.

This also ties into Frogloks wearing cultural - they may kill inkies on sight, but they haven't necessarily been at war with them for thousands of years.

[Railina]

As to the HEF SK question, I had always though that Half Elf specifically referred to a cross between a Wood Elf and a Human, since both the High Elves and the Dark Elves would never defile themselves by being with a Human. Wood Elves are more relaxed, about everything.

There is a Half-elf NPC in Katta who is the child of the Tier`Dal who was the ambassador to the Combine Empire at the time of the Exodus of the Loyalists to Luclin.

It's unlikely that Innoruuk would ever grant SK powers to anyone with good elf heritage (although if they just want to worship him without getting anything in return, that would be fine with him...).

Plausible, but. . . The original Tier`Dal had Koada`Dal heritage. Innoruuk corrupted them, and will try to corrupt anything or anyone else if it suits his needs.

I was unable to find a reference to HEFs specifically being HUMxWELF on the official website, which makes me nervous I may have read it in the Prima strategy guide (and we all know how reliable that is).

Quite likely, since in-game there is at the very least one DEF-HUM half-elf.

As for Dark Elves and High Elves not being willing to mix with humans, what makes you think these relationships were always done with willing partners?

The Ambassador still live in Katta, with his wife and their grown son, one happy family.

Good elves (ELF, HIE) wouldn't be caught dead in inkie stuff, and vice-versa, but HEF's who grew up in a human city may not feel the same way.

What about the Half Elves who grew up in Kelethin or Felwithe (ok, so the ones from Felwithe are all paladins and can't wear adamantite. What about the ones from Kelethin?)

This also ties into Frogloks wearing cultural - they may kill inkies on sight, but they haven't necessarily been at war with them for thousands of years.

Has anyone checked to see if frogloks can use Troll-reworked weapons? Face it, SOE was lazy in their itemization, that's all there is to it.

They just put in a scarecrow illusion as a TOY.

The illusion component of Night's Dark Terror (a vastly upgraded version of Boon of the Garou) was broken, and is currently turned off. On the other hand, there is an illusion for the "old" froglok form in the game, which is totally pointless.

[Eumerin]

Oddly enough, iirc there is a Froggie beastlord NPC in Gukta. He's the one that gives you the quest to go out into the swamp and find out what happened to his missing snake. So the potential is there, but SOE never went through with it.
Odd move, but that's the way it is. Maybe they figured that with so many classes found among the NPC frogloks, they'd keep one of the few non-Froglok classes as a non-Froglok class.

[Delfontes]

I remember there being a Frog with a skele pet in Uguk, probably still there.

So there were Necro/Sk frogs, and an enchanter one I think.

I did really want a frog monk, it would have been worth it to make a new main .

Talk about flying kick, hehe, I'd imagine they could jump twice as high, and they are all leg muscle, so their kick would do double damage head shots.

Also wondered why they weren't given safe fall, as their jumping and landing techniques should have started at birth... or slightly after they grew their legs anyhow.

Guess they didn't want to give them even more stuff.

[Zyrtryx Conjureblade]

I wanted Frogloks to be Monks, too.

I would have deleted my Human Monk, Dherrunkynn, and created a Froglok Monk named Jumpy Flipkicker.