My WORST, and possibly ONLY pet peeve

[Scuzz Zilla]

Man, back in the day, the two or three merchants in Katta Castellum across the yard from the bankers shop. Theese guys used to be freaking Acrylia mines. also could get some from the guys upstais closer to the Tenebrous mountains zonein also, shared bank made this even easier of an ore mine.

NOW.
I understand, that other folks, may also have liked buying up peices, chunks, bricks ect of acryalia for fractions of what the Merchants in bazaar were charging. So I fully understand that sometimes my stock of acrylia would be bought out.

BUT
For longevities sake, everytime I gbought a shipments of acrylia, what do you do to make sure you will have more supplies when you get back?
YOU LEAVE ONE MRAFLALGRARGRIN PART OF EACH ORE left on each vendor.

Now understand that perhaps the random passerby would stumble upon the 1 peice of each I left and think 'oh a random piece of acrylia"
But after a while this began to happen with regularity.

Switch to present.
I was having fun getting up cabilis faction and nabbing some extra AAXP with the Veksar weapons turnin quest. there would usually be 120 or so of each weapon on the vendor in POK. I would buy my fill, leave 20 or so, and come back in a few days.
Not_any_more.

I've seeded this merchant. watched it stack up to about 20, and poof. someone buys them all

Don't they know?
Its sorta like, I dunno, killing all the moocows for beef NOW.
raaah. sustainability people. come now!

This rant courtesy of the 15 min download of TSS files.
Rah!

Good day and best of luck to you all!

[Angelsyn]

I do the same thing with the Veskar Weapons...

Seed a vendor or two with a set... come back in a few days and find dozens.

There's two specific vendors I use... but I'm not going to name them for fear of someone messing with me!

[Itek]

*snip*

... "of Vallon Zek"

I presume this to be "on the PvP server" rather than stating which diety you follow.

"PvP" translates to, at least in my head, "littered with people with NO REGARD for the play experience of others, just because of where they choose to play."

But I agree... if you are gonna vendor-dive... you only shoot YOURSELF in the foot buying the last of any "potential seeds" no matter how bad you need something.

PM me for my favorite quote about people blindly doing things not in their own long term best interest. (Movie quote, Ripley, "Aliens"... but saying it in forums risks mods wrath.)

[Rawckett]

An HoM thread here. Woot. Scuzz, Itek, me

I have never thought to leave 1 left on vendors in the past. /bonk Oh well, lesson learned and will try to do so in the future.

[olhoss]

So what you are saying is that other people should leave potentially valuable supplies on vendors to make it easier for you to acquire them? You pull a hundred off but leave 20? How about you pull 20 off and leave the rest for other folks who might want them? Now who is inconsiderate?

If you want the stuff that badly, farm it.

Or better yet lets do this....if anyone on Luclin sees any Smudged Runic parchments on vendors...please leave them there and post here so I can go buy them cheap. This would be far more convenient for me than the present system.

[Maevenniia]

seeding vendors worked better when there were "hidden" slots. Now that all of a merchant's slots are visible, it doesn't work so well. Sure, you can try to seed the vendors, but it's rather silly to expect all the other players in the game to know what "seeding" is and to expect them to conform to your wishes.

[Qaladar Bragollach]

Every "seed" I see is one more component for me!

[Kahmon]

With the abundnace of Server crashes & competitive Vendor divers I see no point in seeding or leaving seeds. Most of the time either someone will take it or Sony will erase it.

[Scuzz Zilla]

So what you are saying is that other people should leave potentially valuable supplies on vendors to make it easier for you to acquire them?

No, what I'm saying is leave one of said item on vendors, so that in the matter of maybe 2 days 100 more (I'm not exagerating) will accumulate.

Or better yet lets do this....if anyone on Luclin sees any Smudged Runic parchments on vendors...please leave them there and post here so I can go buy them cheap. This would be far more convenient for me than the present system.

I buy all smudged runic parchments I find. because I know it is rare to find one a vendor. and it is highly unlikely that the same vendor wil get sold another parchment. I am referring to items who's worth lies in their quantity. I leave 20 so the next joe who comes by an recognizes the items as valuable perhaps recognizes that more will come, buys his 19, and comes back another day.

While it is true seeding does not work as well as it did when there were hidden slots. I have used it in several areas sucessfully. (the first thing that comes to mind is spiderling silks in newbie area vendors)

[Itek]

Scuzz Zilla / Rawckett -

Howdy, sorry school is messing up my play time totally. Didn't recognize Scuzz cause I ... am dumb.

"Leaving the 'seeds' is dumb, I -need- that item."

... Ok I'm going to risk the mods wrath...

Are you on medication? Otherwise I can't think of a LESS self-serving and plain wrong-headed action than taking the last of a vendor's stock of "rare item."

Someone sold this guy AT LEAST ONE of what you are looking for. If you come back in 3 to 4 hours he MIGHT have another one.

If you buy the LAST "strawberry-flavored pop-tart" from a vendor you got one... and with a near-certain probablility the next item sold to THIS VENDOR will NOT be a "pop-tart" but something else. Now the slot is -gone- and the next one, two, twenty, or 100 "pop-tarts" go directly to the bit-bucket, regardless of how bad you needed "the last one."

If (find "item" && vendor_popular) buy_last("item") == never-find("item")@vendor

If (find "item" && vendor_popular) buy_ALL_BUT_LAST("item") == possible.find("item")

There's a rule in business. "You can fight for market-share so long as it doesn't decrease the market." (In cutting the pie so you get a bigger piece please don't make the total pie smaller.)

Bill the dr0d sells runic parchments to the vendor closest to the PoK "airport" because he's lazy and foolish, or just doesn't know they are useful and valueable.

Tom the enchanter sees the runic parchment and says "oh my GOSH, someone's selling runic parchments to this vendor, i'll check back and see if I can get a few in a day or two."

Roger the ranger sees the runic parchment and says "runic parchment, tHa WiN, mOrE sTuFfzZ for ME!! w0ot!" and gets ONE parchment.

Bill returns and sells a rusty scimitar, followed by a weeks worth of rare drops that he's not aware of being valueable. (NOTE: all those rare drops, POOF)

Tom returns and mourns the loss of at least one runic parchment.

Now, run the scene again, leaving Roger out.

Bill sells "item" not knowing it's value/rarity.
Tom let's it accumulate.
Bill returns and sells 3 more "item"
Tom now can buy 3 and keep "farming" the vendor.

Vendor farming is like having a vegetable garden in the center of town the whole community can "pick" from. The guy who UPROOTS the tomato plant isn't even helping himself. Because all the tomatos that would have grown between the time he uprooted the plant and when he comes back are lost. And someone planted eggplants (which no one eats) in the space of the former tomato.

But most people aren't both intelligent and far-sighted enough to realize this. Which is why I don't bother extensively "vendor farming" cause it'd just drive me completely insane.

[Sharrien]

Sorry, but I just can't see leaving valuable stuff on a vender for anyone to come by and snap up. I will buy any single amount of something i can use that I find on a vender, parchments, sulfur, blue diamonds, fine silk, all of it. If this frustrates you, feedback for tradeskill or quest tagged items to overwrite the useless vender trash items that no one would want to buy.

[olhoss]

again those of us who buy the last valued item off a vendor are called selfish and self-serving, but no response to the charge that the guy who takes 100 off the vendor leaving a few to seed is the selfish one.

I ask again...if you want everyone else to be so considerate...are you going to take the one stack for yourself and leave the 100 for others?

[Maevenniia]

Not every player in EQ has even the most basic knowledge of vendor-diving and "seeding" merchants, so even if every member of the EQTC forums was to agree to leave "seeds" alone....they would STILL get purchased by people who know it's a valuable item and want it for their own use or resale in thge bazaar.


And everyone had better stop lobbing words like "selfish" or "self-serving" around, or I WILL lock this thread.

[Angelsyn]

Honestly...

Vendor seeding works well... for some items.

For example, Veskar Weapons.

These sell to the Vendors for 5-6pp each... they cost 51-66pp each to buy.

Certain Vendors (on Xegony) seem to attract sellers of these weapons very heavily.

Very few people bother to buy these, as they know they can get similar (or better) XP by adventuring.

So, someone like me who doesn't have a lot of actual play-time can often buy up large quantities by ensuring that the "key" Vendors keep a minimum stock on hand.


Blue Diamonds, on the other hand... I just buy those. The odds of getting more by leaving one on the Vendor is rather slim.


A better way is to buy up all the "cheap" items and dump them onto an already full Vendor. This leaves empty spots that you might get lucky and have someone dump items you can use into.

[Ddemons Ddemise]

i dont vendordive alot (read: i never find anything) so i buy wahtever i find.. as its normally in GuildHall anyway, and well.. to put it simple, you leave something on those merchants you arent gonna get another chance at it regardless heh..
i normally check guildhall when i log in.. when im not doing anything.. and before i log.. on a great day ill pull in 5-10 Blue Diamonds, 4-6 Powder of Ro, and maybe a couple other things that i have personal use of (cant think of anything lately but its happened heh)
course on an avg day i might pick up a s ingle BD and 1-3 PoR ..