Hmmmm Augments

[Antha]

Well gee... augments are made with 2 skills that I can't have and another skill that I can't master because only chanters get JCM. I agree, these skills needed some buffage, but they have suddenly become the 800 pound gorilla's.

Oh well, guess I will be buying augments instead of selling them. Net plus either way.

I am off to GM fletching before they nerf the trivials.


Antha
Harbinger of Doom

[Cubwynn]

I sense that the kicker is going to punt this to the PSR.

GO TEAM!

[Cantatus]

Moving to Rants.

[Cubwynn]

And Cantatus passes, scores!

[Antha]

Lol, in no way was this a scream (primal or otherwise). Believe me. I'm an expert screamer.

[LadyAnnaAnna]

You're complaining, and rightly so I think.
However, complaining falls under primal screaming.

[perryslots]

that was good ladyannanna

[Demorgoth]

Agreed - completely rediculous they restricted the entire process of the most important thing to hit tradeskills for years to 3 exclusive subsets and completely prevented anyone else from doing it.

I'm a 1750 TSer, pre-UI, and I can't even use my skills? Pathetic...

[Kheera]

You don't even want to try it without the aa's? It is a hard high trivial combine but it's still possible, my main is a Vah Shir shaman and I successfully cut an augment a day ago. It's still largely luck -- I ran into a poor chanter who failed two cuts, though he had JCM2, and I succeeded on my one try without any JCM. It's not like you can't do it, just a bit more chance of fail without those aa's.

[Demorgoth]

Try what without the AAs?

Poisonmaking? Alchemy? Sure I can try, but with a skill level of 0, I'd be pretty stupid to bother. Jewelcrafting I'd fail 50% more often than an enchanter, so with the fail rates as high as they are, that's a recipe for disaster too.

We wanted a 1750 tradeskill trophy, and they gave us one. The Shaft.

[ColdHeart]

I have to agree that Chanters, Rogues and Shamans just got given a load of cash with this new Aug system.

JC is the first step and needs a JCM2 or 3 tradskiller to reasonable do the combine... that will be a chanter then as they are the only ones with JCM...

Alchemy and Make Poison then do the next 2 steps. Not seen the trivs but not sure I want to either. Sure, rogues needed something to make money but shammies? They solo extremely well and alchemy can still make some cash.

So everyone will get smithing up now I guess as that is the only step which is not class restricted and the triv is not as bad from what I have seen so far. (Plus is a safer fail as you don't lose an aug).

[Ngreth Thergn]

the last combine needs a PART made by smiths, but the final combine is still shaman/rogue.

[splunge]

Someone tell me again what shaman make money on again? It sure isnt potions.

And rogues pickpocket plenty of cash thank you very much.

[Demorgoth]

Someone tell me again what shaman make money on again? It sure isnt potions.

Well I, as a warrior, have been known to buy Quiessense of Knowledge, SoW, Kilva's Skin of Flame and Stinging Wort, and different ports, in 10 shot potion form many many times. In fact, right this moment I have the following:
1 x 10 shot Kilva's (6 remaining)
2 x 10 shot Stinging Wort (full)
1 x 10 shot Frost Port (3? remaining)
and around 18 Quiessence of Knowledge.

Please compare that to how many warrior exclusively created TS items you have bought in the last year.

Hell, as for 'making money', if they're single combines for personal use, I do them for FREE anyway. If I want to make money, I either buy or farm the ingredients myself and charge for the finished item. If I'm just spending 5 seconds of my time hitting a combine button, I'm not gonna charge someone.

What can shaman make money on, with respect to tradeskills? They same thing as warriors can make money on - ALL the open tradeskills - with the ADDITIONAL income from potions.

How does this effect me in practice? I'll still get the combines done, as many of them as I want, completely free. Guildies, friends, and people I've helped along the way will be more than happy to click combine a couple of times for me without charging. What I resent is being banned from the biggest thing to hit tradeskills in years, and 1000s of hours tradeskilling being relegated to a minor subcombine in the vast majority of recipes in an entire expansion, including ALL the high end ones.

<--- glad this is the primal scream room

[Moraganth]

Demorgoth

Agreed - completely rediculous they restricted the entire process of the most important thing to hit tradeskills for years to 3 exclusive subsets and completely prevented anyone else from doing it.

I'm a 1750 TSer, pre-UI, and I can't even use my skills? Pathetic...

Sorry to have to say it.. BUT... if you want to do alchemy, be a shaman... if you want to make poisons, be a rogue. EQ is about differences of the classes/race/et al... not everyone being the same.

You are not "completely prevented" from doing the JC combine. You may choose not to take the risk, but that is a choice you make.... as Kheera shows..

Kheera

You don't even want to try it without the aa's? It is a hard high trivial combine but it's still possible, my main is a Vah Shir shaman and I successfully cut an augment a day ago. It's still largely luck -- I ran into a poor chanter who failed two cuts, though he had JCM2, and I succeeded on my one try without any JCM. It's not like you can't do it, just a bit more chance of fail without those aa's.

.. exactly. Items with this high of trivial are pretty much at the whim of the RNG, it's that simple.

ColdHeart

JC is the first step and needs a JCM2 or 3 tradskiller to reasonable do the combine... that will be a chanter then as they are the only ones with JCM...

Um, no. Again, it's a choice. The combine does not require a JCM2 or 3 chanter.. it doesn't require a chanter at all. I have JCM1, and am combining at a better than 50% success rate, which i shouldn't be even with JCM1... it's the luck of the RNG (which means this is opposite of my normal luck, so i'm sure somethign really bad will happen soon... maybe perm illusion to dorf that can never be reversed /shudder).

A person without JCM can "reasonably" do the combine. Success rate should be around 40%. Given the RNG's habits, that falls in the standard range of streakyness that it normally has already.

But please, rant away.. it's good to get it out in the open so it doesn't stress you out too much on the inside.