The Bazaar tradeskill market is shifting

[Eggborn]

You want to make halas meat pies and not make a good profit for all that time? Not me. I keep them medium and sometime that guy who is selling them right next to me for 4.5 pp each will log or sell out or the one shouting in PoK "free halas meat pies and misty thicket picnics!" will get a few people hooked and go away! Then , my time is worth it and theirs is spent clicking till their fingers are blue. Why practically give away something you spend so much time and pp for and do this over and over again?

I spent way too much time, making all those truffles when people were selling mushrooms for 5 pp each. It's my turn to make a profit on those people who wouldn't think of picking up a trade skill but want to charge me crazy pp to raise mine.

It cost me way more than 1 pp each to make a picnic! It cost me the components to raise my baking to this point. It cost me time farming and foraging and doing combines when I could have been hunting and making money that way. It was just as fun for me yes, but please think of the costs involved beside that particular item! don't be so cheap with yourself and your time! Why then do people put high prices on dropped items in dungeons for equipment and spells? That cost them nothing at all if you keep your thinking on the line of per combine or drop.

[eniamn]

halas pies. several traders in the hundreds selling for 3 to 4 pp. i was at 3. when someone went to 2.5pp i just auctioned 240 for 600 and left the bazaar. i have 3 different auction messages for pok though. pie and picnics for sale, ports for sale, and combines for sale.

[Ardath]

Here is a version of what is actually happening to EQ's Economy, just FYI : Here

[Sanna]

sheesh, that guy posted the exact same thing on the monkly business forum, and then someone else linked it in some thread here that got shifted to PSR.


I'm gonna pay attention and see what I can observe of this myself, or what people I trust observe and note. Until then...


take with much salt.

-- Sanna

[Lothay]

I believe the person in question is using scare tactics. Since crossposting something like that is a general tactic of those perpetrating a scam or hoax, I'm inclined to believe it is just that.

[Grel]

Lothay,

Have you been keeping an eye on bazaar prices on your server like I have on Torvonnilous? Can you explain why I have been seeing a fairly sudden sharp rise in prices of mid-high level gear and generally far fewer numbers of these same items for sale than there used to be?

One example category I have been watching is haste items. Soulscream belts are up to 35k from ~20k. Spiked seahorse is 55k vs 40k before. CoF if you can find one is 80k+ vs 55-60. Surely with haste augs from ldon you would think haste items would depreciate rather than appreciate. This same trend is evident in many different item categories with popular high end items like BoC, SoD et all being hugely more expensive of late if you can find them for sale at all.

I as someone who has made my fortune mostly through tradeskills and purchased much of my gear upgrades through the bazaar am hugely worried that the 80 odd k I have banked will not be able to buy me the last piece of ornate I seek or elemental tradeskill components for JC and tailoring.

Grel, 65th druid of Karana on Torvonnilous

[Lothay]

On Tunare I haven't seen the sort of mad inflation you're refering to. Honestly, prices cycle up and down all the time.

I sell some pretty high end gear (JC items mostly) and raw materials costs and finished prducts ocsts have not changed disporptionally.

[Grenoble]

Prices have spiraled upward like this on Emarr as well. Noticed it perhaps 3 or 4 days ago.

While it hurts me immensely, having scraped up 15k to my name only to know its essentially worthless...

...I'd be hurt a lot more if I wound up grouping with one of those insta-characters. Yowch...I pity anyone stuck with a cleric leveled in this fashion. Or any class, for that matter.

[eniamn]

anyone noticed if spierling silk is selling for less as ppl opt for enchanted velium bits instead of fine plate? might should be in smithing but this thread is already mostly on topic for it and didn't want to start a new one.

[Marteeny]

I doubt that anyone would skip FP and go right into the velium bits. FP trivials at 188. The amount of pp it would cost to do the velium bits over FP would be huge. Considering FP is very cheap in comparison (especially if you farm the padding).

Although, sometimes I forget that somepeople have more pp than they know what to do with.

[eniamn]

fine plate costs more up front. the ore and stuff to then sell back and recoup cost but really it does take more up front.

i assume you farm your own velium and make your own cvt. i forget most dont though.

it was more of a curiousity question anyway.

[Liwsa]

If buying padding is cheaper then buying CTV's, the 12pp spell, and the velium pieces.

Now IF you farmed ALL of your velium and brewed ALL of your CTV's yourself yes very much cheaper BUT if you are buying the components FP is much cheaper way to go.

[eniamn]

also have the mold cost and mq ore cost with the fine plate. i figure 20pp lost per success if you dont farm your own leather padding. breatsplate failure can be 100pp after all that i think. at least 60ish.

cvt for 10pp and spell for 12pp. farmed velium. thats about 22pp per attempt.

one fine plate failure at 60pp will make up for a lots of 2pp differences in the prices. not fair to compare bought fine plate to farmed and brewed bits though. most wont brew and you can farm padding easier than velium.

edit most wont brew and you can farm padding easier than velium.

i did think about it and it is almost certainely easier to do bits instead of fp. has to be easier to farm padding than velium if nothing else.

[Marteeny]

I guess I should have been more specific.

It is true that the enchanted velium bits can be done for less pp than the FP, but the difference in time to farm leather padding compared to velium is huge.

People are more likely to buy velium in the bazaar than padding. Velium is only dropped in a few zones and is usually heavily camped. If you want 5 stacks of padding (100 combines), spend 2 hours in EK.

I shudder at the amount of time it takes to farm 10 stacks of small pieces of velium (100 combines). Then throw in the 100 coldain heaters and 400 celestial essence you'd have to make just to have the ingredients for the 100 CVT's.

The only way I could imagine anyone doing the Enchanted metal bits route over FP was if they had a couple thousand CVT's in the bank from the exploit.

[Zzirf]

First of all, let me state that this is NOT an invitation to flame. I would really like to hear some well thought out responses to my question, not personal attacks. So here we go...

What is wrong with 'undercutters'? And do I count as one?

I guess I'm asking because I really don't understand the complaints. Please read on before you reply. As a personal example, I recently skilled up to 250 in baking doing Misty Thicket Picnics. Yeah, lots of subcombines, but as I was getting closer to 250 I was ending up with piles and piles and PILES of them. So I decide to sell them on my trade mule. I do a search in bazaar to find out what prices they are going for (anywhere from 10-20pp at that time) and price all mine for 10pp. My reasons for doing this were not to screw over the person that was selling for 20pp, but that I wanted to sell them (crazy huh?). Since a run of 100 combines (resulting in 400 picnics with no fails, but more likely 200-300 picnics) costs me about 250pp or so, I figure after the first 25 sell, everything else is a pure profit and I'm happy.

Another reason for pricing this way is because of the way I shop in bazaar. When there is an item I want, I do a search and go to the person with the cheapest price and buy it. I don't search and say 'well, char1 is selling it for 100pp, but char2 is a REAL tradeskiller so I'll buy it from him for 125pp'. In RL, sure, you have preferred vendors. I like buying Ford vehicles, and they're different from Chevrolets, or Hondas. But in EQ, there's absolutely no difference between the Kaladim Constitutional that you buy from char1 and the one being sold by char2. Maybe I have a different perspective because I don't consistently make tradeskill items for profit and watch the market on them, but is there actually buyer loyalty out there?

As a final thought/disclaimer, this absolutely was not meant as a dig at anyone, I'm just trying to understand the logic here.

Thanks,
Snoopp Froggyfrog