Goodbye MMC, hello Rujarkian Hills

[Stugein]

Finally got enough AP for my new BP from the Mistmoore adventures. Now to say good-bye to Butcherblock and work exclusively on Rujarkian adventures. From the couple I have done I have been able to get more goblin bones from drops than I had gotten in all my Mistmoore adventures combined. The gargoyles are too few and far between in MMC and I was getting tired of asking unknown foragers in a pick-up group to forage for me (I usually got turned down anyway since components are going for 150-200pp each on Fennin right now and I simply can't pay that).

Now hopefully I can get some more Rujarkian groups and convince them to keep all loot and all my split of any cash so long as I can just have the bones. It has worked so far. No more forager begging!

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fennin.Stugen tells serverwide.eqtraders; I hate foragers. They make me so very angry.
lanys.Tinile tells serverwide.eqtraders; We hate you too.
~~

[Balkin]

Heh, I saw more goblin bones from ONE Rujarkian adventure this weekend, than I've seen of all other dungeons combined. I also am not a forager, so getting temper components from other dungeons is just an excersize in frustration.

I did get my druid to 31 this weekend in EK while foraging for tea leaves though, and I'm considering doing dungeons with him JUST so he can freakin forage temper components for me!!!

Did you know a 31 druid can solo a hill giant? *grin* I didn't either until this weekend. hehehe

[scarbrowed]

At 31 you should also be able to solo griffin's. Anytime I was bored in my 30's, I would port to NK, and kill anything DB. Root broke too often, so I just snare kited them around the zone.

Back on topic, how do you get parties to agree to to Ruja adventures? Everyone seems to want to use the PoK book to go to LFay. And how do you keep people from falling in and starting the adventure before you are ready?

[Stugein]

Originally posted by scarbrowed
Back on topic, how do you get parties to agree to to Ruja adventures? Everyone seems to want to use the PoK book to go to LFay. And how do you keep people from falling in and starting the adventure before you are ready?

Getting a group for Ruj is no more difficult than getting a group for the others. People tend to hang out LFG at the WFB camp that they want to adventure from. Go to Butcherblock and most of the folks there want to do MMC adventures. Go to the EC tunnel and most folks there want to do Ruj adventures. And so on and so forth. It isn't a matter of convincing people to do certain adventures. It's just a matter of LFG in the right places.

As for making sure folks don't zone into the mission before I'm ready...I don't think I have run into that as a big problem. Everyone who has done a mission before knows that they are timed and knows not to zone into the dungeon until the rest of the group is present and ready to go.

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I'm just tired of having to depend on foragers for my tradeskilling. I have the worst time trying to make Qeynos tea for myself (I don't resell it...probably since I cannot make it in any real quantity). I'm lucky if I can even find tea leaves in the bazaar, and when I can it runs me 25-40pp (I am not "rich" by any measure) for the one or two that may be available. I wanted to do some baking to try to hit the 200 mark. Cinnesticks? No cinnamon sticks available. Truffles? Snagged 46 mushrooms from the bazaar at 1pp each. Lucky me but for a skill-run that is a pathetic number and ultimately got me nowhere skillup-wise. And though I have discussed it before, I simply don't have enough time to dedicate to levelling up a forage-bot. It's taken me 4+ years to get to L52 because I am a "casual" player. To start another character and play it to a level where his forage skill can be respectable is not a viable option unless I want to abandon Stugen and make Forage_Bot_001 my new Main.
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In MMC the Gargoyle Granite drops from gargoyle type mobs. Great. You only see gargoyle style mobs in 1 out of every 4 or 5 adventures and even then there are usually only a few of them in the dungeon and the granite drop isn't common at all. In Rujarkian Hills nearly every mission contains at least some goblins and I have seen bones drop from almost every one, sometimes in 2's and 3's. I don't need a forager to walk away from a Ruj adventure with enough components for at least a couple of skillup attempts.

[Lilosh]

I've een goblin bones from ALL mobs in Rujarkian Hills.


Of course, that might have not made it past beta. I mean The Animals, and Orcs and such.


We had a laugh or two the first time Random_Bear001 has a goblin bone.

We just assumed he'd been snacking on the goblins.


-Lilosh

[Phabos]

Not to criticize, but there are other ways to tradeskill without needing to forage. My main, a Dwarf Paladin, is (as of this posting) a 250 Baker, 200 Brewer, Potter, and Fletcher, a 192 Smith (and rising), and a 158 Tailor. This has all been done without a forager. Yes, I have one, but I only use him for tradeskills to make Tea, which I have never skilled up on.

For Baking, I went as far as I could hunting, got tired of Meat Pies, so I went to the Bazaar. On my server, vegetables are a steady plat each, sometimes less. The same is true with Fruit. Everything else for a picnic can be vendor purchased or farmed. One vegetable is worth 10 combines, and each fruit is worth 72 combines, assuming no fails on the salad, marmalade, or sandwiches.

For smithing, I did a few LDoN combines. I vendor-purchased approximately 30 or so temper components and brewed them into tempers, but the majority of my smithing after cultural needles has been humming orbs, which I skill up on to almost 168, FP, and after getting a couple of skillups on my tempers, I went to Shadowscream, using the orbs I made previously. (I'm still burning through them and hunting Shadows).

For the rest of my tradeskills, foraging not required. No, you can't may QAT without foraged components, which aren't common and sell for high prices, unlike fruit and vegetables. It's also not a general skillup route. Mino Hero Brew (which I did from 122 to 200) is cheap and all the ingredients can be found in Halas or SH. Pottery and Fletching, to my knowledge, don't require Foraging.

In short, having a forager can help, but it is not required, nor does it provide that great an advantage when skilling up.



Phabos Aphsion
Drunken Paladin of Brell
Tarew Marr
(And no, I haven't done Jewelcraft. That comes after the Smithing is finshed. I need a break.)

[Dunthor Warsmith]

Getting a group for Ruj is no more difficult than getting a group for the others. People tend to hang out LFG at the WFB camp that they want to adventure from. Go to Butcherblock and most of the folks there want to do MMC adventures. Go to the EC tunnel and most folks there want to do Ruj adventures. And so on and so forth. It isn't a matter of convincing people to do certain adventures. It's just a matter of LFG in the right places.

I've found that to be pretty true too. The only exception I've found is that it isn't too uncommon for people in EC to want to do NRo (ie Takish).

Then again, I seem to be the freak in the random number generator - everyone else seems to run into tons of people wanting to do MMC, I run into people mostly wanting to do Tak :P

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As for falling in, most people realize that the big swirly thing is the entrance, and they gather a reasonable distance up the slope. Only once has someone fallen in prematurely in one of my groups, and it wasn't out of ignorance, it was just accidental.

[Stugein]

Originally posted by Phabos
Not to criticize, but there are other ways to tradeskill without needing to forage. My main, a Dwarf Paladin, is (as of this posting) a 250 Baker, 200 Brewer, Potter, and Fletcher, a 192 Smith (and rising), and a 158 Tailor. This has all been done without a forager. Yes, I have one, but I only use him for tradeskills to make Tea, which I have never skilled up on.

I'm not necessarily talking about pure skilling-up. I'm talking mostly about stuff that I want to make. For example, I am already a 250 brewer. I want to make Qeynos tea purely for my own personal use. It's a huge pain when I run out and don't have access to tea leaves to make more because there is none available in the bazaar or when there is only 1 or 2 leaves in the bazaar for 30+pp each and I can't make more than 6 or 12 drinks from them which leaves me in the same situation when I run out again a few days later. I have some friends who recently got into the game. They are getting into their mid-high 20's. For them the LDoN armour is amazing. I wanted to be a nice guy and make them a few pieces. Yeah, I may get a skillup or three out of it, but that isn't the driving motive. But when I go to the bazaar and can't find LDoN components for less than 150-200pp each, well...that is a tad too expensive for me. I can't afford to be nice when prices like that are in place.

Yeah, with baking it is purely for skillups right now. I want to take baking to 200 where it will sit for quite some time before I get the AA to move it beyond that. I know there are ways to do it without foraging. The frusration is just compounded by looking at all the post-200 recipes with foraged ingredients and looking at what I already need just to make stuff I want with other skills, not just stuff to skill-up on.

[Stugein]

Originally posted by Lilosh
We had a laugh or two the first time Random_Bear001 has a goblin bone.

We just assumed he'd been snacking on the goblins.


-Lilosh

I remember killing Lockjaw in Oasis at some point. When I looted him he had halfling parts in there. That made me so very happy.

[Itek]

It's simple.

All non-foragers just enter this /feedback

I think it would be a good idea to add an AA ability to forage. Ten levels, each level costing an AA point, each level adding 20 to the foraging skill max. (The skill would still require actually skilling up.) To lessen the "twink factor" make this a PoP Ability and allow 2 levels per 61+ level. (61 = 2 levels, 63 = 6 levels, etc)

Let them fiddle with the cost.
Let them fiddle with the max skill levels.
Let them fiddle with when you can buy it.

This is not highly different from NTCM .... and then we can stop hearing the screams of the ****ed. ... Oh, that's just the High Elven Smiths wailing and gnashing their teeth over Morning Dew.

BEFORE you attempt to flame me...

My alt is a 41 druid with max forage.
My wife is a 52/53 druid with max forage. (on seperate account, on second computer)
I don't require many foraged things, having completed Blessed Shawl and having no real interest in Aid Grimmel quest.
I'm a Dark Elf and not doing any skilling up on Tailoring / Smithing in the foreseeable future. (So the Morning Dew isn't for me.)

This way it would offer the OPTION for non-foragers to BECOME foragers, at a fairly large AA point cost.

Want Morning Dew? 25pp (hehe)
Want your own Morning Dew? 20 AA and then you can sit in GFay/LFay for hours on end and determine the TRUE value of a stack of Morning Dew for yourself.

[Lilosh]

I can not agree with a forage AA.


Unless I get a Feign Death AA.



-Lilosh

[Aerinha]

I am a forager, but most of the foraged stuff I sell in the bazaar is the common stuff for cheap(vegies and roots don't sell that well;mostly I use them to take up space when I am bare of merchandise). The reason I don't sell the good stuff? I am already giving it away to guildies who have expressed a desire for the items. Bamboo shoots go to my Erudite tailor friend(the one that got me the stack of condensed ice that GMed me in Fletching). Morning Dew goes to my elven smith friend(who has outfitted my woodelven bard alt in cultural plate). Cauldron prawns to the gnome tailor, who also tinkers and has supplied me with lots of cams. I give away the stuff I forage in LDoN(though the jeweler was so pleased for the skillups, he gave me back the successes to do with what I would.). I have stayed over in a finished dungeon to forage till the dungeon poofed, and I sit around in zones with a timer and a good book(or do housework and come back when the timer rings).
My advice to non foragers is to make friends with foragers and let them know what you want. I don't currently have anyone expressing a desire for tea leaves, but I'd spend more time in East Karana if someone I knew said they wanted them.

[Rewde]

Sure. Let's implement the forage AA. This would bring a druids skill cap for foraging up to 400, at which time we would get a drop down menu when we hit our forage hotkey. Running around in WL, click forage, drop down menu pops up, "Ahhh, yes. I do need a Yew Leaf today", click on item and there you go, you have actually foraged what you were looking for.

[Phabos]

Just as a warning....

This has come up before in a very heated discussion. Feelings were hurt, accusations and attacks were made, and at least one, maybe more, threads were locked.


There are some very strong feelings on both sides of the issue. I don't like it, but that's just my opinion, and I'm not going to defend it.


There are times when discretion is the better part of wisdom.



Phabos Aphsion
Drunken Paladin of Brell
Tarew Marr

[Lilosh]

Originally posted by Phabos

There are times when discretion is the better part of wisdom.

And the Sacred Water camp is the Better part of Valor?


-Lilosh