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    This is an overview of current Jewelcraft. It is aimed at someone who maybe dabbled in jewelcraft back when fire opal wedding rings where the talk of the town.

    ...

    Current Jewelry is built in two pieces: the setting (a bracelet, veil, earring, ring or necklace) and gems mounted in the setting.

    A given setting can have 1 2 or 3 gems in it. Other than for practice purposes, most people want 3 gems to fit in their settings.

    To make a setting, you need enchanted silver, electrum, gold, platnium, velium, palladium or dwerium.

    Getting the Metals:

    The base metals (silver, electrum, gold, platnium and velium) are found on vendors. Velium is only sold in Thurgadin, but the rest are sold all arround norrath.

    Palladium is refined from Scale Ore via a Gnomish Heat Source. Scale Ore is a drop-only (or forage) only item. It can be found in the DoN expansion.

    Dwerium is produced by infusing Platnium with Raw Faycite Crystals and a Gnomish Heat Source. Raw Faycite Crystals drop in higher level zones on what seems to be global loot tables. Gnomish Heat Sources are sold in many zones, including recently PoK. This may require a reinforced jewelers kit (quested out of GoD).

    Enchanters can enchant the above metals. The lower end metals can be enchanted via a mere spell at a rapid pace. Some enchanters won't have the "mass enchant" versions of the spells, which are sold in the East Commonlands tunnel for relatively cheap.

    Palladium can be enchanted slower than other metals via an AA ability with a 1 to 3 hour recast, depending on how many you want to enchant at once. The 10 bar enchant is sold in the East Commonlands tunnel for a pittance (10 every 3 hours, best rate). There is also a researched 20 bar enchant spell at 54 (20 every 6 hours).

    Dwerium enchanting is research only. It requires a low 60s enchanter at the least, and produces 10 enchanted bars every 8 hours.

    The Dwerium/Palladium enchants show up as AAs in the Enchanters AA list, under class abilities. Sort alphabetically, and look for "Mass Enchant X", and "Enchant Palladium".

    Making the Setting:

    To make a setting for your gems, you need a setting tool, a mold, and the metal. You can buy setting tools from jewelcraft vendors around the world: the closest one to Knowledge is in Tranquility, in the building just North of the zone-in.

    Jewelcraft tools are interesting in that they change shape: just place any setting tool or cutting tool into your jewelcraft kit, hit combine, and you get a different one back! This will form a loop until you return back to your original tool.

    So first take your solo setting tool, and turn it into a trio setting tool. This takes 2 COMBINEs: I do this combine manually, it is faster.

    Now place the enchanted metal, a single mold, and the tool into your kit. Hit COMBINE.

    You will get back your mold if you succeed, and lose it if you fail. You will always get back your tool. If you succeed, you get a piece of jewelry -- if you fail, you lose the metal. Molds are not sold in PoK. They are sold in most other zones with jewelcraft merchants (EC, Thurg, Tranquility, Abysmal Sea, Crescent Reach).

    Now you have a piece of jewelry. As it is a trio setting, it fits 3 gems: one type 11, and two type 10. The order depends on what looks prettiest, so when inserting gems always insert the largest (type 11) gem first.

    Making your Eyeglass:
    So now you want to start cutting the gems so they will go into the jewelry. To cut large gems, you need a jeweler's glass. Start with a gnomish heat source and some fine sand, put them in your JC kit, and hit combine. You now have a glass disk.

    Now take 3 units of grinding powder and your disk, and hit combine. You will probably fail, and get back everything except 1 unit of powder: so buy 10 units of powder, repeatedly combine until you get a success.

    Next, get a silver bar and another gnomish heat source. Combine them to make a Jeweler's Cup. Then take the Cup and the Eyeglass and make yourself a Jeweler's Glass. You'll need this to cut some gems (but not all of them! Some or all vendor-bought round-cut stones don't use the Jeweler's Glass).

    All of the steps needed to make your Glass have a difficulty 50 or lower. If your skill is really low, you might want to skill up before making your Glass.

    Cutting the Gems:
    Now, cutting. Most gems accept one and only one cut, but some higher end dropped gems accept multiple cuts. You'll have to look up the cut to use on a case-by-case basis, or just use trial and error. Round cut gems fit in type 10 slots (the "secondary gem" slots), while other cuts fit in type 11 slots (the "central gem" slot).

    We'll start with a simple cut on a simple gem: round cut peridot.

    Take your setting/cutting tool. Change it to a round cut tool.

    Now place the peridot (sold in most cities) and the cut tool into your JC kit. Hit combine. Hopefully you now have a round cut peridot!

    The Peridot grants protection when placed in jewelry. It grants 10 AC in Dwerium, down to 1 AC in Silver. As it is a minor gem, it is suited for type 10 slots. Remember to insert type 11 gems before type 10 gems, as you can accidentally fit a type 10 stone in a type 11 slot, which usually isn't what you want to do!

    A more complex cut requires the use of a jewelers glass.

    Buy a Topaz. Turn your tool into a Trillion cut tool. Place the Topaz, the Jeweler's Glass and the Tool into your kit and hit combine.

    You end up with a Trillion Cut Topaz. This grants see invis and IV if placed in a stone. As it is a complex cut, it only fits in a type 11 slot.

    Some useful cuts:
    Square Cut Taaffeite. This is the lowest trivial for Taafeite, and hence the highest success rate. The only difference between the cuts is the attributes, like str/sta/agi/cha/etc, and for the most part, people don't care about that. Square gives you Str Sta Cha Agi.

    Marquise Cut * Nihilite: The Nihilite only permit a Marquise cut. Note that you have to refine nihilite before using it.

    Round Cut Peridot: 10 AC, type 10 slot.
    Round Cut Opal: 100 hp, type 10 slot.
    Round Cut Emerald 100 mana, type 10 slot.

    These Round Cuts do not require a jewelers glass, and the stones cost less than 20 pp each. Never the less, they are the best type 10 gems.

    Installing your Stones:
    To install your stone, you use an augmentation sealer. Note that once you insert some stones, the stone ATTUNES to you and becomes NO DROP: so it is best for the end user to install their stones themselves. Also note that it costs money to remove stones -- to just dissolve the stone, you can buy a augmentation solvent from the magus, but that destroys the stone selected. To remove the stone, you need to spend 50 to 100+ pp per stone, and buy solvents from jewelcraft merchants.

    Insert your type 11 cut gem (ie, Trillion Cut Topaz) into the sealer, plus your setting (ie, Trio Silver Earirng). Click INSERT. Now do the same with a type 10 stone (ie, Round Cut Peridot). INSERT. Now using a different type 10 stone (currently you cannot use the same stone twice) INSERT it.

    Equip the item. The total stats will now display. Until you equip it, you cannot see the stats at this time.

    Rough Power of Stones:
    In general, the setting scales the power of the gems in it.
    Silver: 12%
    Electrum: 20%
    Gold: 28%
    Plat: 40%
    Velium: 56%
    Palladium: 76%
    Dwerium: 100%

    Gems in Lucy display their full stats under Dwerium. When installed into lesser bases, you get less of the stats.

    Some effects (like mana regen, DS, HP regen, or (worn) effects) scale differently: regen/DS gives 1 point per type of metal (so dwerium is +7).

    There are currently no rec/req levels on these items, but that is probably coming.

    The "best" gems to use are considered:
    Vendor Type 10s:
    Round-cut Opal: +100 HP max stat
    Round-cut Emerald: +100 mana max stat
    Round-cut Periodot: +10 AC max stat

    Vendor Type 11s:
    Square-cut Ruby: 1 to 7 mana regen
    Fire Emerald: 1 to 7 damage shield
    Trillion-cut Sapphire: 1 to 7 hp regen
    Pear-cut Star Ruby: Faerune

    Dropped Type 11s:
    Taaffeite: 19 AC 23 all resists 250 hp/mana/end + stats*
    Crimson/Indigo/Amber Nihilite: 10 AC 375 hp OR mana OR end (ie: red/blue/yellow)
    Shimmering Nihilite: 10 AC 250 hp/mana/end

    Harmonagate: 17 AC 19 all resists 200 hp/mana/end + stats*
    Prestidigitase: 14 AC 17 FR/CR 150 hp/mana/end + stats*
    Staurolite: 12 AC 14 MR/DR 100 hp/mana/end + stats*

    Nihilite requires a 2 stage refinement process. The stuff that drops for JCing is called "raw ____ nihilite": other kinds of drops aren't useful. Refining them is an GoD era quest.

    Shaped ____ is not useful in tradeskills.

    Dropped "black sapphire" isn't useful for making enchanted jewelery anymore: the new drop that can be cut is called "uncut black sapphire".

    The +stats* gems gain stats depending on how you cut them. These stats are just attributes, nothing to write home about.

    The jewelcraft settings don't have any augs other than the cut gems -- no type 7, 8 or 9 augments will fit in them.

    Lastly, while type 11 gems look like they fit in cultural armor, it won't work. And putting type 11 cultural symbols into jewelcraft bracelets is also a no-go (it might work currently, but it won't work shortly).

    Here is a table of JC gem cuts, stats, and trivials:
    http://www.editgrid.com/user/kyroskrane/Jewelcrafting

    CAUTION:
    High end stones are ATTUNABLE. Placing them into a piece of jewelry makes the combination NO DROP even if you do not equip it.

    If you then remove the stone and drop it into your inventory, it will infect the existing stones it stacks with and make all of them NO DROP.

    The end user of a particular piece should install their own stones. And be very careful when moving a stone from one piece to another.

    In addition, placing augmented items in the shared bank can cause serious bugs, like your entire bank being erased. So even if you can augment the items before selling them, don't do it: the EQ code base doesn't support trading and moving around already augmented items safely.
    Last edited by Yakk; 12-01-2007, 03:11 PM.
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  • #2
    question on where are the molds

    I have been unable to fid the jewelry molds in POK, any advice on where is an easy location to get them,

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    • #3
      Originally posted by foniel View Post
      I have been unable to fid the jewelry molds in POK, any advice on where is an easy location to get them,
      I *think* they can be found in Abysmal Sea... but I *know* they can be found in Crescent Reach.
      Angelsyn Whitewings, Cleric of Tunare for 66! Seasons.
      Grandmistress Smith - 300, Grandmistress Tailor - 300, Potter - 300, Jeweler - 300, Brewer - 200, Baker - 200, Fletcher - 200, Fisherwoman - 169
      Keyne Falconer, Paladin of Erollisi Marr for 66 Seasons.
      Grandmistress Baker - 300, Grandmistress Blacksmith - 300, Potter - 200, Brewer - 139, Tailor - 91

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      • #4
        Thanks Yakk!!

        This is exactly what I needed. I have recently began playing again and stand at 250JC with the old trophy and needed some info. Many thanks for putting the pieces together at one spot.!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Angelsyn View Post
          I *think* they can be found in Abysmal Sea... but I *know* they can be found in Crescent Reach.
          Also available in Plane of Tranquility.
          Mouse breaking crew --

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          • #6
            First off, nice. Some information I've not seen before was presented. Thanks!

            Palladium is refined from Scale Ore via a Gnomish Heat Source. Scale Ore is a drop-only item.
            Isn't this still foragable in DoN zones?

            Dwerium is produced by infusing Palladium with Raw Faycite Crystals.
            Platinum Bar not Palladium, also must use a gnomish heat source and the reinforced kit.

            There is also a researched 20 bar enchant spell. This requires a low 50s enchanter.
            20 bars of palladium is level 54, and you don't get a time break for it... 6 hour lockout. Happily, Palladium AA's don't lockout Dwerium AA's or vice versa.

            You will always get back your mold -- so you only need 1 of each -- and your tool. If you succeed, you get a piece of jewelry -- if you fail, you lose the metal.
            I recall loosing a mold, but it was before the patch(es). Was this bogus behavior? Or memory failure I'll recheck when I get home, on a gimp toon.
            Last edited by EloMist; 11-23-2007, 03:31 AM. Reason: dwerium
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            • #7
              I fixed the reported bugs, and cleared up some details.
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              • #8
                Excellent guide on the whole! Very handy for the beginner.

                A few extra corrections, mostly minor.

                Originally posted by Yakk View Post
                You will always get back your mold (there may be a rare chance the mold breaks, but if so it is rare) -- so you only need 1 of each -- and your tool.
                The mold is always lost on a failure, but recovered on a success, if I recall right.

                Making your Eyeglass:
                So now you want to start cutting the gems so they will go into the jewelry. To cut large gems, you need a jewelcrafter's eyeglass. Start with a gnomish heat source and some fine sand, put them in your JC kit, and hit combine. You now have a glass disk.

                Now take 3 units of grounding powder and your disk, and hit combine. You will probably fail, and get back everything except 1 unit of powder: so buy 10 units of powder, repeatedly combine until you get a success.
                The proper item names are "Jewelers Glass" and "Grinding Powder".

                Next, get a silver bar and another gnomish heat source. Combine them to make a Jeweler's Cup. Then take the Cup and the Eyeglass and make yourself a Jeweler's Glass. You'll need this to cut some gems (but not all of them! Round cuts don't need the Glass).
                Actually, you need this to cut all higher-end gems, including some round cuts. A better statement would be "Vendor-sold gems that use round cuts don't need the glass; all other gems and cuts do."

                Cutting the Gems:
                Now, cutting. Not all gems accept all cuts, so you have to learn this on a case by base basis.
                Each gem has exactly one cut, except for staurolite, prestidigitase, harmonagate, and taaffeite. Those four can be cut in any of the seven cuts.

                Insert your type 11 cut gem into the sealer, plus your trillion cut jewelry.
                Note that jewelery can't have a cut, just the gems. Not sure what you meant here.

                Shaped ____ is not useful in tradeskills anymore.
                I don't think it ever had a use, though I could be wrong.
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                • #9
                  More corrections and polish.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by foniel View Post
                    I have been unable to fid the jewelry molds in POK, any advice on where is an easy location to get them,
                    Crescent Reach:
                    offers the best combo - full vendor (gems, tools, molds, solvents) & birdbath right next to each other

                    Shadow Haven:
                    closest JC vendor from Bazaar birdbath with tools, molds, solvents, a few gems (peridot, emerald, opal)

                    Plane of Tranquility:
                    closest JC vendor from PoK with tools, molds, solvents, a few gems (peridot, emerald, opal)

                    Abysmal Sea:
                    full vendor (gems, tools, molds, solvents)

                    - Edit - Even if you bind yourself at Guild Lobby birdbath, that's still 2 zones away from PoT or Abysmal Sea. While Bazaar birdbath and SH JC vendor are both at adjacent zoneline. This proximity will be useful, not just for testing gems, but also when you need multiple solvents that currently don't stack.
                    Last edited by Elfdruidess; 11-23-2007, 04:19 PM.

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                    • #11
                      There is a birdbath in abysmal sea too, just up the steps from the magus.

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                      • #12
                        birdbath in abysmal

                        The birdbath in abysmal sea is at Loc:31,4,158

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                        • #13
                          Updated again.
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                          • #14
                            First off, Yakk, Thank-You!! I started playing right after the game launched in 1999. Played for a few years until that pesky "Real Life" got in the way. Lost both my parents and the brother that got me started playing EQ. Divorced my wife of 25 years. Got a huge promotion at work. Now, I find myself working the afternoon shift and when I get home, what else is there to do but EQ. So I'm back after a five year hiatus. One night I got out my 52 Enchanter, Tofranil, and pulled out his trusty old Jeweler's Kit. I enchant some Electrum, buy a few semi-precious stones, make some popcorn and sit down for a night of skill ups.
                            But, whats this? "You can't combine these items in this type of container" over and over and over, ad nauseum. So a-searching I went for info on what Sony had done to Jewelcrafting. Let me tell you, it was maddening. I pieced together enough info and trial and errored myself to a skill of 105. Then it was obvious I would need to learn how to make settings and cut stones. That is when I came across this EXCELLENT post. Using your guide last night, allow me to share my results:
                            All this took about 4 hours and cost roughly 1.5K plat including selling my successes back to the vendor. I would suggest going straight to Crescent Reach (I place I had never been to and was totally lost trying to find after zoning in from PoK). All the stuff you need is right next to each other there including the "birdbath" (another thing that was totally foreign to me, but thats another story). With a skill of 105 I was able to make the trio setting and the Eyeglass on first combine. Your guide to this was invaluable. Bravo. So now I'm ready to cut some gems. I buffed myself with everything a 52 Enchanter has, got my INT to 241 and started cutting.
                            I bought 300 Topaz and combined with the trillion setting succeeded 170 times for a success rate of 56.6%. The trivial on this is 182 and I started at 105. When I finished the 300 Topaz I was at skill level 161. I tried a few other combines as well and round cut some opals, emeralds and rose quartz. I also used the "birdbath" and set some stones in my settings. (Not to sound stupid, but what good is making jewelry if it becomes no drop when you do? I used to make a decent living selling silver ruby veils in North Freeport back in the day.) Then with my skill at 161, I got brave and bought 10 sapphires at 104 plat a piece and did 10 trillion cut combines, succeeding in 7 and boosting my skill 2 more to 163.
                            I'll be going back today and try some of the harder combines.
                            All in all Yakk, my compliments to you on a really fine post and the others that helped fine tune it.
                            Last edited by urani; 12-31-2007, 06:47 AM.
                            Urani Arrowsender, Ranger
                            Gheek Calculus, Wizard
                            Tofranil (Surname Rejected), Enchanter
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                            • #15
                              Skill-Up Results - Part 2

                              Happy New Years Day -
                              As from my previous post I was able to increase my JC skill from 105 to 163 using Yakk's guidelines. The cost including sell backs to the vendors was approx. 1.5K plat. Todays work was substantially more expensive. In the range of 7K plat including sell backs but it did get me to Skill Level 202. I can only hope 202 to 300 isn't as exponential in cost. How I got from 163 to 202 as follows:
                              Skill 163 - Cut 89 of 100 Topaz Trillions +8 skill
                              Skill 171 - Cut 40 of 50 Sapphire Trillions +5 skill
                              Skill 176 - Cut 7 of 10 Fire Emerald Ovals +0 skill
                              Skill 176 - Combined 111 of 150 (Unenchanted) Platinum/Lapis Necklaces &
                              ----------62 of 80 Platinum/Malachite Rings +19 skill
                              Skill 195 - Combined 101 of 120 Plat/Turquoise Bracelets +4 skill
                              Skill 199 - Combined 35 of 40 Plat/Onyx +3 skill
                              Skill 202 - WOO-HOO, I'm a Journeyman Jeweler!
                              Urani Arrowsender, Ranger
                              Gheek Calculus, Wizard
                              Tofranil (Surname Rejected), Enchanter
                              Mith Marr Server
                              "Fighting Evil-Doers Since July of 1999"

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