Tinkering Charging Recipes

[Ngreth Thergn]

Curently, when a tinkering item can be recharged, we have a separate item with no charges in the DB that is used for the charge recipe. There are 2 reasons ofr this.

#1 In the original DB design, if I used the item the recipe makes as one of the components, there would be an infinte loop created. The design changed and this is no longer an issue.
#2 there can be some confusion on the customer side. When there are no charges left on an item, often the "charges" field of the item display jsut disapears, meaning there could be some confusion for people with the "but this is not the same item... mine does not have the charge listing on it like EQTC does... what do I do with this item?"

So would you as a community like me to:

1. Leave it like it is with the "fake" uncharged item in the DB
2. Fix it so that only the "real" item is used, even though it shows full charges.
3. Do both, enter in recipes with the "charged" component, and leave the "uncharged" one in.

I am personally inclined to choice 2. But I thought I would leave it up to you

[Sanna]

as far as choice 2, what about putting in the Notes about how to recharge, rather than an entire 'bum-recipe'...


Anizok's Gauze Press
MAGIC ITEM
Slot: AMMO
Charges: 20
la la la other stuff here...

Note: recharged by combining with (linked)mana battery - class one(/linked) in (links)toolbox, deluxe toolbox, collapsible toolbox(/links).

etc.

-- Sanna

[Ixiola]

I'm with Sanna. The recharge is no fail, so why not just note what battery is used per recipe and leave it at that.

[Doremi]

If recursion isn't a problem, then get rid of the spurious entries. You can combine item XXX with any number of charges with mana battery YYY to get a fully-charged item XXX, so there isn't much point in listing the zero-charge item separately. You should always display the maximum number of charges, IMHO.

To avoid the problem altogether, instead of a separate recipe, you could create a new type of entry for charged items called "how to recharge this," which wouldn't be tagged as a regular recipe.

[Lilosh]

I agree with Sanna. List the item with Full charges, and note that it can be recharged with a battery of type X.

I guess that means I'm saying #2.

-Noish

[Tinile]

I agree, note it or add it to the stats or recipe area that to recharge this item put it with X battery in toolbox.

[Chenier]

My vote is whatever is the least amount of work for you - which I guess is leave it as it is. I know how it works - the EQTC database kicks butt. =)

[Lickity]

I am all for less work and more return, but I do have a question in the regards to the tinkers. Can a 10 charge item with say 7 charges on it be charged back to full, or do you have to fully deplete it first? I ask because of possible conflicts in the future with the database, but Ngreth may not even be worried...so...

[KyrosKrane]

You can recharge an item with any number of charges on it, from zero to max.

Here's how charging works on a technical level. It's a tradeskill combine (zero trivial, I believe), that takes the original item with any number of charges and a mana battery or other "power source". When you combine, it destroys the original item and the battery and creates a brand-new item with full charges. The combine works regardless of how many charges the original item still had.

Edit: Forgot to mention. My suggestion would be to keep a recipe in the database for charging using the real item. (A recharge is a legitimate, if no-fail, tradeskill combine.) However, include in the notes for that recipe or item that the the recharge recipe can be done when the item has any number of charges on it, from zero to max.

[Dunthor Warsmith]

Edit: Forgot to mention. My suggestion would be to keep a recipe in the database for charging using the real item. (A recharge is a legitimate, if no-fail, tradeskill combine.) However, include in the notes for that recipe or item that the the recharge recipe can be done when the item has any number of charges on it, from zero to max.

I agree.

Not including the recharge recipes as recipes seems to me both confusing and a dangerous precident - what else isn't "worth" a recipe?

[Dunthor Warsmith]

If the recharge recipes were converted from recipes to "Notes", wouldn't that prevent searching to figure out what batteries recharge what? ie doing a "Find recipes that use this item" on "Mana Battery - Class Five" to see which devices are recharged with it. Since devices seem to be recharged with whatever battery was used in the original recipe, this might not be considered an issue (since the "Find Recipes" still shows the recipe for the original item). Just a thought.

[Ngreth Thergn]

it will not be just notes.

It will be a second recipe. There will just no longer be a "fake" 0 charge item in the DB... only the max charge item. Since it is a second recipe it will be searchable. The note will jsut be to point out "don't do this with a fully charged item it is a waste"

I am disapointed that I only got 31 votes :/ That is in no way a valid sample size of data.