Disparities in trophy skillups

[Kemie Dreamshadow]

Recently, changes were made in the skillup rate of both the smithing and JC trophies for the last level, to make them comparable to tailoring. For me, this translates to one percent for every 5 or 6 successful combines on any of those trophies.

I understood why smithing was "raised," but I always found jewelcrafting far easier as a skill, and had resigned myself to the 1000 or so it would need to evolve to maximum. Instead, after the change I suddenly found myself with a 97% evolved trophy, and a few combines later, "poof" it was the intricate jewelers glass.

Meanwhile, tinkering, which is FAR more difficult in my eyes than JC, has had no change. So the same combine that would advance a JC trophy with five or six successes (say, silver conduit cylinder, for example) requires 8 or 9 successes to advance the tinkering trophy.

There are only 5 of the many parts to an Amalgamator that give a chance to skill up the trophy, and although my tinker has made what feels like tons of these items, as well as converting all the silver conduit to cylinders for my main's smithing (now maxed) and tailoring trophies (now at 64%), her trophy has barely passed 50% even though most of her combines are successes.

Seems as if the disparity (particularly between JC and tinkering rates) deserves a re-examination.

Kemie

[Catweazel]

I have completed the trophies for Tinkering and JC and almost Smithing. JC required about 20% less combines than either Tinkering or Smithing, which both require just under 1000 (using Sunshard for the most part).

In my opinion there was zero difference between using a silver conduit combine and an Amalgamator sub combine in terms of raw numbers for Tinkering.

Considering the item made uses the exact same ingredients (silver conduit) for the exact same cost the only reason Tinkering is harder than JC to max is because "someone" wanted it to be that way.

[Elfdruidess]

Number of *successful combines* with *trivial of 350 or above* for trophy 6-7:

Fletching: 450
Tailoring: 450
Smithing: 750 (originally 1000 before Mistletoe Cutting Sickles were nerfed)
JC: 450 (originally 1000 before patch of Nov 20)
Baking: 1000
Brewing: 1000
Pottery: 1000

Spell Research: 450
Poison Making: 750

I can personally verify for all of the above. I can't find any record for alchemy.

Note that these nos. are for 350 (or above) trivial combines. 335 trivials will make it 475, 1050 etc. 303 trivials will make it 500, 1100 etc.

Can refer to this post for further info: http://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq/showthread.php?t=25442

[Wymp]

Always seemed unfair to me that the Tinkering trophy takes so many combines to evolve.

There are far, far more viable combines for the other trades to use for trophy skilling.

Just the new templates alone pretty much trivialize it for smithing and tailoring if you simply have some plat to blow in the Bazaar.


Would be nice if there were similar paths for Tinkering available. Or if the number required could be lowered some.

Can only make so many AAAA subcombines before your head explodes, after all.

[Elfdruidess]

I just hit 300 Tinkering today and got the chance to check.

Tinkering belongs to the "750" group.

[Elfdruidess]

I am very new to Tinkering and I went to 300 treating it like a smithing + tailoring skill (since these two skills I'm very familiar with). I never did one single AAAA combine so far. And to be honest, I think the combines available to highend tinkering is pretty balanced compared to smithing and tailoring and I'll even dare to say, better than new JC.

Tinkering gets one combine out of Sunshard Ores. Same as JC, smithing and tailoring.

Tinkering gets one set of cultural symbol combines. Same as smithing.

Tinkering doesn't get the template combines. But the smithing template drops can be used for Seal combines. So tinkering is not really shut out of using Tungsten and Titanium. While Rhenium and Cobalt can actually be used without the loam.

And to balance it off, tinkering gets *both* smithed and tailored cultural armor combines. Frankly, I was so happy when I can use both silk+spinneret and ore+loam to skillup.

Perhaps I came from a smithing+tailoring background. That's why I look at tinkering from a different point of view. And I really don't think highend tinkering is worse off than smithing and tailoring.

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I remember when I was on the way up, I was quite grumpy that the vendor path only goes up to 148 with Aqualung. (Anyone who considers the Rebreather as a vendor path must have been doing Inferno Scepters for smithing.)

But then leather padding goes up to 235 with Foot Warming Boots! This is what modern smiths will drool over (and ancient smiths like me who got to smith up to 242 with leather padding go all misty eyed with nostalgia).

So ... apart from the vendor bought path ending at 148 instead of 162, and the easy drop path ending at 235 instead of 252, (ok .. and the fact that tinkering's blue diamond cultural is no where near a realistic skillup path), I really have no complaints for the skillup routes for tinkering as it is today.

Now how did classical tinkerers get to 300 with only coiled spring, molten ore, immaculate steel, knuckle joint, clockwork carapace and haze panther eye (!) is totally beyond me. My salute to them.

[Evram2]

Now how did classical tinkerers get to 300 with only coiled spring, molten ore, immaculate steel, knuckle joint, clockwork carapace and haze panther eye (!) is totally beyond me. My salute to them.

I actually did a very large portion of 252-300 doing BD gnome cultural

[Catweazel]

I just hit 300 Tinkering today and got the chance to check.

Tinkering belongs to the "750" group.

Just to clarify....
Tinkering to 300 = 750 group
Tinkering Trophy from 6 to 7 = 1000 group

Unless I am mistaken, this was the issue raised by Kemie

[Prexis]

Would agree with the final evolution of the tinkering trophy being in the 1000 group. Was in the 1000-1100 successful combine range for me just like the baking (misty thicket oicnics) & smithing (mistletoe cutting sickles) doing combines with trivials in the 302+ range. Did mostly the ytrrium cultural & geerlok floatation packs which I believe were just 302 trivals to evolve the trophy.