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[Kakg]

OK I'm probably way off base here but how do you read this line of news?

Portable / Multi-User Containers -
Multi-User Containers - This is not something that is able to be done at the current time, though a portable Still has been added for the Brewers, though the gnomes still have yet to figure out how to produce a forge in a small, lightweight, and easy to carry package.

I find that statement very interesting..... is this a hint that there is indeed a new OOW collapsible forge recipe out there that we haven't found yet or am I clutching at straws? The way I read that line is that the dev's haven;t been able to make multiuser containers but that there might be a single user container out there.

Is the reference to gnomes about the SOE tradeskill game engine gnomes or is this a hint to us tinkers to get looking?

[Gello]

Likely a hint. There's a "new" effect in lucy: http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.htm...02&source=Live

Unpack Brewer's Still
1: Summon Item: #17521
Cast on you: You unpack your collapsible distillery.

Was pushed to live in an October patch.

It has classes/levels and other db baggage that aborts most discussions about it, but imho that's merely a leftover from when the devs copy/pasted a summon food spell to use as a base.

I do think the mention of forge was meant to be a still.

[splunge]

Well, how else would you describe, in a somewhat role-playing way that they arent gonna add a portable forge ever?

Have you ever seen a real life forge? How about a pottery wheel? A pottery wheel is MUCH more likely a candidate for portability. A kiln, however, is not.

[Dunthor Warsmith]

Well, how else would you describe, in a somewhat role-playing way that they arent gonna add a portable forge ever?

Aye. The gnomes "figuring out" something tends to translate to "we've added this to the game", and gnomes "not figuring out" means "this is something that might logically follow, but it hasn't been done (at least not yet)." I would say that it leaves open the possibility of them adding a tinkered portable forge sometime in the future, however.

[Mortas]

Well, how else would you describe, in a somewhat role-playing way that they arent gonna add a portable forge ever?

Have you ever seen a real life forge? How about a pottery wheel? A pottery wheel is MUCH more likely a candidate for portability. A kiln, however, is not.

Real life portable forge?

It was an antique. Hand cranked blower & charcoal or coal fired. It was slightly smaller than a hibatchi.

There's "modern" versions too http://www.blacksmithsjournal.com/cat-TOOL.html

[Tillinghast]

I have also seen a portable Forge and Kiln. The kiln was much smaller and could only take tiny items. While this would be less practical for the average potter, I am sure the crafty gnomes could make portable kilns that would at least be big enough for vials and idols. The Forges are not terribly portable, but they are not much less portable than a spit as the major items would be a bellows and anvil, a useful anvil doesn't need to be more that 3lbs. and about half the length of a sword. The fire isn't that portable, but you make those as you go along, just like a spit.


Tillinghast
Vendor Mule, unshoed, but still kicking.

[Ueauvan]

or it could be a joke. i dont think a portable forge is going to happen

[gnormy]

Devs tend to speak in roleplay terms when they shouldn't. I believe this to be a good example of players reading too much into what the Dev meant.

The ulimate classic example was the near extinction of the Bixie from Norrath when it was suggested that one could use Bixie Parts in place of Brownie Parts. (not true).

[Itek]

Ok, just an inky poking his nose in to check on vanishing devices (for my little cleric twink... being an enchanter has left me TOO in love with being invisible at will) ...

Can you make/build/have a "portable" forge (and by extension still, kiln, et al) ... sure you CAN... in real life.

But is it big enough to put X in? How about Y? Does it get hot enough to soften Q?

ARGH!!!

Tell you what folks... have your religious buddy raise a corpse back to life, then bring your "this works in real life" suggestions to the devs... K?

The game isn't real, reality doesn't determine what happens in the game. QED.

Oh, and "the gnomes" means the staff.

The deal is that ALL CSRs and Staff have access to the GM vendors in Sunset Home. One of the items is a "gnoming stone" which gives unlimited charges of "illusion:gnome" for the purposes of shrink/etc.

This is why for a VERY long time the only food besides wedding/birthday cake slices Guides/GMs could hand out were "gnome sandwiches"...

It was very hard to explain my Human Ranger of Karana Guide handing out sandwiches made out of Gnomes.

Itek-Guide: "They aren't made FROM gnomes, they are made BY gnomes."
Itek-Guide has transformed into a gnome.
Itek-Guide: "See?"

Now let's examine the real need for a "portable" forge. *cue the crickets*

Simply put there isn't a reason for them. Have you ever really NEEDED to forge something mid-combat? Nope. Have you ever found that ALL the PoK forges were busy? Bright Agnostic Lord I hope not.

If you need a forge it's pretty easy to get to one. There are people who have LEFT the game because travel has gotten so fast.

[Dunthor Warsmith]

Simply put there isn't a reason for them. Have you ever really NEEDED to forge something mid-combat? Nope. Have you ever found that ALL the PoK forges were busy? Bright Agnostic Lord I hope not.

But you could make that same argument with any tradeskill container - including the ones that already have portable equivalents. The only possible exceptions I see would be mixing bowl (no world container equivalent, yet) and fletching kit (since it produces combat consumables) - but if you accept fletching kit as portable-worthy, that opens the door for a portable forge to make combat-consumable throwing weapons.

And yes, I have found all the PoK forges busy

[Hawkewind]

Uhmm

we play a fantasy game full of magic...of course anything can be collapsable in this game of magic

have you ever seen a real life Iksar Necromancer? Well I saw one in game once and never in real life

[Druegar]

Have you ever found that ALL the PoK forges were busy?

As a matter of fact, I have. Granted it doesn't happen often, but it most definitely does happen.

[gnormy]

Simply put there isn't a reason for them. Have you ever really NEEDED to forge something mid-combat? Nope. Have you ever found that ALL the PoK forges were busy? Bright Agnostic Lord I hope not.

If you need a forge it's pretty easy to get to one. There are people who have LEFT the game because travel has gotten so fast.

The problem comes with FARMING. At best, any of my given characters MIGHT have 40 slots free - more likely only 12 tho (darn packrats). So going to farm Acrylia is a bit a pain. More so by the fact that I plan to take a CHISEL to it all. Tell me WHY chiseling has to be done in a forge other than thats the way it is... If there were a portable container that we could do ore conversions in - I would be thrilled. If there were a portable container that we could me studs and boning it - i would fall over backwards. These are the real intent of WHY players want a portable forge.

And as for forging stuff "mid-combat" - you can stop to Fletch Acylia Arrows mid-combat but you cant make the shaft or arrowhead. Sure would be nice =P

I seriously feel the devs need to give up on holding this stuff as "holy untouchables, we just wont". Its a fantasy game...anything is possible.

So - give me a Portable Forge with 4 SLOTS and i'll be crazy happy.

[Xanafeldier]

Making studs or chiseling ore in a toolbox shouldn't be a problem.
Just file a preformed lump of the right size.
Refining and forming the ore into bits to make into studs? Probably not.
Forming smaller bricks would be hard also. You'd end up with pieces and dust if you weren't an experienced stone mason with the right chisel and a good piece of ore.

You don't loot metal from mobs (for the most part, except for plane of innovation recycled stuff). You loot raw ore that needs to be smelted. I'd say we're lucky to be using a forge to do it without needing crucibles, tongs, gloves, aprons, special ingredients, and an enhanced heat source or some sort. Oh, and not having different qualities and concentrations of ore.

Of course there is always magic. We are supposed to be able to use it to augment, assist, enhance, alter, destroy, but not often to make anything.

How about a magic lantern? Three limited wishes. A Djinni rips off the forge from somewhere and magically transports it to you. Oh and a banker. Maybe some elves waiting for a res from the nearest souldbinder location.

[Giddemore]

Gnomish Brew Barrel

In the pen and paper EQ game (sigh yes I bought it), within the Game master's guide there is a Tradeskill section with a few recipes. In the tinkering section all of the recipes listed are the common one we all know and love with recipes that are the same combine ingredients as in the game with one exception... Here is the recipe from the book.

Gnomish Brew Barrel
Barrel
Pie Tin
Gears
Metal Twine
Metal Shafts(2)
Class 2 Mana battery

Everything seems simple enough to get but I don't ever remember seeing a barrel for sale anywhere. I'm going to try it with a cask today. When I get online.