Bazaar >< is there a way ?

[Deedolith]

Prices of supply in the bazaar are still outrageous, and final products prices are going down every day. Buying your supplies in the bazaar cost more money than reselling your final product.
I know, I could still farm for my own supplies, but that take yada yada yada ect ect ect ... (you all know what I mean).

So, what could be done to get rid of the rip off from the bazaar ? (if that's even doable)

[Scirocco]

Why should anything be done? And who's to say that the price you want to force on people is "better" than the price that results from market forces. High prices usually result from high demand and low supply.

If you don't want to pay the higher prices, then don't. Go farm the item you want yourself. After all, that's what you're paying for...the time it takes you to go obtain the item in question.

[Heartsong_Steelsoul]

... and that's how you change the market price. Either enough people stop buying, so they lower the price to sell it or the prices of the end product go up to pay for the supplies, or no one makes any of it, which would drive the demand on the materials down, and theoretically the demand on the final product up as supplies dwindle, eventually making it profitable again.

[Tenasi]

Time is...

Someday, folks will realize that time is money. Be it in EQ, or in RL... Sure, a stack of 20 high quality rockhopper hides may *seem* like a raw deal for 1000pp...but in reality, how long would it take YOU to go get them? Why do you WANT them? Because you're going to use them for something or they have some inherent value.

Yeah, you can farm velium in CC on a good day and fill 4-5 packs full of ore. But that takes several hours of boring (to a 60) farming...almost unavoidable competition...and time lost spent getting XP/AAXP/Levels/more lucrative loot. In the end, the buyers determine the price of goods based on how much they are willing to pay. Supply and demand in action every day.

In most cases, I'm just happy to see that things are being SOLD...because that means there's a supply somewhere.

[Centuri]

You could always bypass the bazaar and go to the source...

For example, if you want cobalt cod/Arctic Wyvern hides, head over to CS and /auc WTB.... offer more than the vendors will give and more than likely, they'll be happy to sell to you.

[Valorale]

Amusing

I find it amusing the original poster can accusing the bazaar sellers of ripping off.

Nothing in the bazaar is ripping off if someone is willing to pay the asking price.

Ripping off is when someone doesnt give the exact change you should receive on a purchase. Ripping off is when 2 people agree to a set price then one party attempts to not honor his/her end. That is ripping off.
2 Parties consenting to an agreed price and exchanging money/goods for money/goods is a business transaction, no matter what price was paid.

Charging a high price for an item is one's inherent right as a salesman. The way the market counters this is by other people underselling, and by buyers from refusing to pay the higher cost.

I suggest my friend you take a course in economics 101, you would find it very enlightening

[Myndar]

It's fine to be lazy or cheap, but if you're lazy and cheap, you're doomed.

It's that simple. Time or money. Just like in the real world.

I'm kind of disturbed that the original poster can't take the time to collect his own supplies, but considers other peoples' time to be essentially valueless.

[Deedolith]

*huck* I'm not accusing anyone, neither flaming.
Honestly, with the bazaar some supplies went x10 the price it was before.
And I find it wrong that the total of supplies bought cost more than the resell of the final product. (unless comming from NPCs, but that's another history).

I'm kind of disturbed that the original poster can't take the time to collect his own supplies

:x :evil:
Come farming with me, be disturbed later, thanks.

[Heartsong_Steelsoul]

Please, we're skating close to the line of personal attacks here, people, calm it down a notch.

[Healblade]

So, when the bazaar prices for things like spider silk are too high...

(1) Farm them yourself
(2) Farm them and sell for less; If people cause price wars on the finished products, why can't we do that for the components?

Personally, I feel that Misty Thicket Picnics are not worth more than 5pp. I feel that 5pp is a fair price, and I sell out of them very very very fast... the same can go for any tradeskill ingredients. Even if people buy them from you and then mark up the price, people will see that people are willing to sell at 5pp, and many will wait for you to sell more.

[Valorale]

And I find it wrong that the total of supplies bought cost more than the resell of the final product.

Once again my friend, economics 101. If the finished product sells for less than the material, then one can assume this:

1) The finished product is readily avalible and low in demand
2) The material is in higher demand than the supply allows

Meaning the material has a value other than the potential value of the end product. That value is the chance of the ever lucrative skillup. For people seeking the skillup, the finished product is often nothing more than an annoying byproduct of the effort put forth. For those seeking the end product, a skillup is a welcoming surprise. Bottom line, more people seek the skillup than those who seek the end product thus the higher demand on the products to attempt the skillup

[Cigarskunk]

I know, I could still farm for my own supplies, but that take yada yada yada ect ect ect ... (you all know what I mean).

So, what could be done to get rid of the rip off from the bazaar ? (if that's even doable)

LOL - I'm afraid that you answered your own question there - the only way to trash the farmer's is to hunt the stuff yourself - once they see that they can't sell the stuff then they'll lower thier prices till they do.

Only other way is to go on a crusade against them - go out and farm a few thousand silk swatches and then make sure that you've always got a hundred or so on a mule for whatever price you want to see them for. After a few weeks, this should trash the price on your server and knock it down to whatever you think is a fair price.

Next, farm a few thousand HQ cat pelts and do the same, then do it with otter fur, crystal silk, etc.

[Boledar]

Dedication

You must dedicate yourself to both prospects at the same time.

Keep a well-funded mule in the bazaar and log on at prime time and you will find competition driving the prices down. Also, you never know when someone is going to seriously undercut the competition, even in small quantities. Savings are savings.

Farm away. There is absolutely no substitute for farming yourself. create new characters just to farm with. I created a druid for two reasons: 1.) to use my hand-me-down WIS items and 2.) to farm ingredients. I have hunted animals and spiders for all 18 levels of his existence to the tune of 276 spider silks and 42 HQ cats pelts; not to mention the other stax and stax of lesser items and foraged goods.

Above all patience is required and dedication. You got two hours? Log on and kill Crag spiders by yourself.

GL

[borblefoot furtoe]

THe problem I see it has nothing to do with What prices people are selling the components and final products but with how the skill up process in the game is handled. The bad thing is the way the game is currently set up The same recipies used by people for skilling up are the same recipies people want to use to make items for a profit. This is where the contention comes in.

As the skill up process requires massive amounts of repetitvely creating the same item over and over again as more people get higher in skill the prices of finished products goes down. While the demand for component parts increases. This is a natural result of the way tradeskills are currently set up. What they need to do is add recipies to the game that are skill up only recipies. There are many ways to implement this but it would most likely require some retuning of the current item trivials, compenent drop rates etc etc.

And I believe I saw a post somewhere on the old board discussing that subject but I could be wrong.

[random user]

The bazaar has increased the price of items, but...

Time IS money for most people. Some people just value it more than others.

For me, when I had to sit around Ekarana or ECommons and auction WTB Spider Silk, I still had to waste *my* time doing nothing of significance.

I'm willing to pay a surcharge so that I can just go up to buy an item, no hassle, no wait.

So for me, I'm willing to pay a little more plat per tradeskill item because in terms of real cost (ie time + plat), I think I'm still even or even coming out ahead.

Of course, I'm probably the type of player who keeps prices fairly high, but *shrug* I value my time highly.

- Xylem, E'ci