etsablished server and tailoring

[nasstardly]

Do you tailors feel that there is much worth in trying to become a GM tailor on a sever that is well established and already has a number of GM tailors and other GM tradeskillers?
Thx

[Meirril]

Well, I'm trying to become a GM tailor on Fennin Ro, which is amongst the oldest servers in the game. Fennin Ro also has one of the most screwed up economies accrost all servers. I know of several GM tailors, but don't know many personaly (just 2). So, why am I trying to become a GM tailor?

Well, mainly because I want to. It realy is that simple. Once I'm a GM tailor I'm sure I'll make cultural armor (halfling tailor armor instead of smith it. Wood Elves and Euradites also tailor instead of smith), as well as halfling cultural bags. I'll also attempt PoP and velious recipees to make some nice stuff either for sale or for friends and alts. However, considering the time and effort put into GM'ing tailoring, I'd be about 5 levels higher if I hadn't bothered with it, and just as well equipped (yes, working on tailoring has made me a little plat that I wouldn't of made just hunting. However, higher levels means making more plat so it would definatly ballance.)

So, the real question is...do you want to become a GM tailor? If your realy willing to sacrifice and WORK towards it, level till you can hunt what you need, give up leveling till you've exauseted what you can farm for combines, and then leveling up again JUST TO FARM MORE COMPONENTS you'll become a GM tailor in a year or less. (assuming your level 1 now, and don't have alot of plat or alot of friends willing to do whatever they can to help you. And I mean alot of friends!) Note: the same didication would make you a level 65 character, and probably burn you out of the game 3 months after hitting 65.

All in all, my advice is play with tailoring. Level your character, explore, most importantly of all MAKE FRIENDS. They mean more than any gear you can get in the game. They mean more than any flag, more than beating any monster. With enough friends comes everything else. However, your friends arn't stepping stones. Being their friend means being willing to just hang out and have fun, joke around, sacrifice, understanding, supporting, gathering, hunting, raiding, living. EQ isn't RL, but that dosen't make the players any less human. Don't let EQ make you any less human.

[Aandaie]

I would become a halfling tailor if I felt like it, only to sell leather haversacks for 3 k plat or something while everyone else tries to sell them for more than a tink bag.

This is silly to me, my goal would be to make them WANT to buy my bag INSTEAD of a tink bag. Otherwise the only person who'd pay 1 k more would be a monk, which severely limits your market.

Due to items like that and the stuff they require, I'd suggest getting to level 60 before you even start tailoring if those are the things you want to make. Those bags take BDS or something right? Without being high level you'd have to do some serious leather padding/spider silk/pelt hustling in the bazaar at night to ever make enough for the ingredients for upper tailoring.

[Lilosh]

I would become a halfling tailor if I felt like it, only to sell leather haversacks for 3 k plat or something while everyone else tries to sell them for more than a tink bag.

This is silly to me, my goal would be to make them WANT to buy my bag INSTEAD of a tink bag. Otherwise the only person who'd pay 1 k more would be a monk, which severely limits your market.

I just clicked on your Magelo to make double sure you arent on my server.

/em wipes a bead of sweat off of his forehead.

To each their own, but wow....

-Lilosh

[Woodeckt]

I have to say the same thing lilosh it amazes me just amazes me.

Aandaie wrote:
[qoute]I would become a halfling tailor if I felt like it, only to sell leather haversacks for 3 k plat or something while everyone else tries to sell them for more than a tink bag.

This is silly to me, my goal would be to make them WANT to buy my bag INSTEAD of a tink bag. Otherwise the only person who'd pay 1 k more would be a monk, which severely limits your market.[/quote]

Some of us have a small guild in which we are the higest level and do not play constantly so getting things like Blue Diamonds is not easy therefore the cost at 6K per bag is resonable at 3K you are at cost not counting failures with bought items.

[scarbrowed]

I sense a thread locking coming, but it is interesting to hear the logic of someone who wants to deliberately undercut. This puts a new wrinkle on the issue.

To answer the original question, I find my self getting deep into EQ to find out what I can do and accomplish. It's why I find it so addicting, and why I'm working on tradeskilling. I also like alternating between skillling up and levelling. That's why I'm working on getting my skills up.

[Hibashira]

If you are in an uber guild, being a GM tailors means you'll get a lot of the goodies. Great source of income. Even just being high level, you'll get lots of goodies in PoP to make it worthwhile. The old world stuff, most velious silk/leather, and most SoL stuff are not worth anything any more.

[Aandaie]

3 k was just a price I tossed out there

What I meant was, make a person not able to say
"I don't care about the weight, so I'll get a tink bag" by selling at less than a tink bag, not more. It doesn't have to be 2 k less, but less would make sense.

Unless you are instantly selling the bags anyway. From what I see on the tribunal server it doesn't appear that people are unless they are returning to the zone an hour later to try to sell another one (which I somehow doubt) It would be interesting to see if they went well at 6k if bazaar vendors could sell bags.

I get what you mean about the rarity, perhaps I don't know everything involved. I do see blue diamonds on npc vendors from time to time for 267 plat or something, but I guess you can't count on that.

Undercutting? So you mean whatever price someone arrives at to sell an item, you should just always match it? Kind of makes the bazaar have no purpose.

[Woodeckt]

I have found a few Blue Diamonds on vendors as well but they are rare on my server.

I agree prices move constantly.

8)

[xonbink]

even if someone was to "lose" money by giving the leatherfoot haversacks away at 3k each would be outta business very fast.

Why?

I have made and sold approxiamately 35 haversacks - When I started selling them I would see a tuft in the bazaar on occasion for 2 pp each.


now some entreprenuerial froggie has gobbled up all the furs, and has over 300 at 50pp each.

Do i buy them? Heck no - considering failures on the subcombines I figure 45 furs per bag - at 50pp each your talking 2250 pp for just furs -

toss in 3 blue diamonds at 400pp ea - and then throw in 3 platinum threads at 209.999 each and whats this leave you with?

4k per bag -

I doubt you would sell them at 3k for very long - soon you would realize that the amount of work required JUST to get the skill up to make them, plus the running around (thurg for threads, bazaar for bd's, kael or ww to forage farm the furs (or bazaar em at 50pp ea) -

For many halfling tailors such as myself these bags afford me the ability to continue skilling my tailoring to GM status, why ? because I earn a profit on each bag.

And for those who say to me I would rather buy a tink for 5250 - my response is go right ahead - i will not undervalue my time and effort - the bags are and will always be at least 6k each.

[Hibashira]

My response to those that argue with 5250 tink bag is, "Why don't you go on ahead and carry your 15750pp to Sol-A and buy your 3 tink bags?" All of them just shut up.

[nuppin141]

Unless you are instantly selling the bags anyway. From what I see on the tribunal server it doesn't appear that people are unless they are returning to the zone an hour later to try to sell another one (which I somehow doubt) It would be interesting to see if they went well at 6k if bazaar vendors could sell bags.

I'll tell you that on lany's I could sell 10 bags in 30 mins np. Whenever I make a bag I ask in guild chat if anyone wants it for 6k. 80% of the time I have 1-3 ppl wanting to buy it and if no one wants it all I do is go to bazaar /auction it one time and it's sold.

[Lilosh]

My response to those that argue with 5250 tink bag is, "Why don't you go on ahead and carry your 15750pp to Sol-A and buy your 3 tink bags?" All of them just shut up.

Wise words. Especially for our monkish customers.


-Lilosh

[Woodeckt]

Yes even for non monks unless you have a nice horsie or a lizzy you cannot carry that kind of pocket change easily

[Gello]

perhaps I don't know everything involved

Here's what's involved:

1. Forage 36 tufts of Dire Wolf Fur in kael or thurgadin
2. (Vale Kit) Combine 3 Tufts of Dire Wolf Fur to make a Patch of Dire Wolf Fur
3. (Vale Kit) Combine 3 Tufts of Dire Wolf Fur to make a Patch of Dire Wolf Fur
4. (Vale Kit) Combine 3 Tufts of Dire Wolf Fur to make a Patch of Dire Wolf Fur
5. (Vale Kit) Combine 3 Patches of Dire Wolf Fur to make a Woven Patch of Dire Wolf Fur
6. (Vale Kit) Combine 3 Tufts of Dire Wolf Fur to make a Patch of Dire Wolf Fur
7. (Vale Kit) Combine 3 Tufts of Dire Wolf Fur to make a Patch of Dire Wolf Fur
8. (Vale Kit) Combine 3 Tufts of Dire Wolf Fur to make a Patch of Dire Wolf Fur
9. (Vale Kit) Combine 3 Patches of Dire Wolf Fur to make a Woven Patch of Dire Wolf Fur
10. (Vale Kit) Combine 3 Tufts of Dire Wolf Fur to make a Patch of Dire Wolf Fur
11. (Vale Kit) Combine 3 Tufts of Dire Wolf Fur to make a Patch of Dire Wolf Fur
12. (Vale Kit) Combine 3 Tufts of Dire Wolf Fur to make a Patch of Dire Wolf Fur
13. (Vale Kit) Combine 3 Patches of Dire Wolf Fur to make a Woven Patch of Dire Wolf Fur
14. (Vale Kit) Combine 3 Tufts of Dire Wolf Fur to make a Patch of Dire Wolf Fur
15. (Vale Kit) Combine 3 Tufts of Dire Wolf Fur to make a Patch of Dire Wolf Fur
16. (Vale Kit) Combine 3 Tufts of Dire Wolf Fur to make a Patch of Dire Wolf Fur
17. (Vale Kit) Combine 3 Patches of Dire Wolf Fur to make a Woven Patch of Dire Wolf Fur
18. Run to Bazaar
19. Buy 3 Jars of Acid
20. Buy 3 Celestial Solvents
21. Run to East Commons (or PoK)
22. Buy 3 Scents of Marr
23. Run to Misty Thicket
24. Forage (or run around and look for ground spawn) of 1 Misty Acorn
25. Run to Thurgadin (or Erudin or Paineel)
26. Buy 3 Platinum Threads (630pp min cost, well 629pp 9gp 9sp 7cp)
27. Run to Rivervale (forge there)
28. Buy 7 Flasks of Water
29. (Brew Barrel) Combine 1 Misty Acorn and 1 Flask of Water to make Acorn Oil
30. (Mortar and Pestle) Combine 1 Scent of Marr and 1 Celestial Solvent to make Celestial Essence
31. (Mortar and Pestle) Combine 1 Scent of Marr and 1 Celestial Solvent to make Celestial Essence
32. (Mortar and Pestle) Combine 1 Scent of Marr and 1 Celestial Solvent to make Celestial Essence
33. (Brew Barrel) Combine 1 Celestial Essence and 2 Flask of Water to make Purified Water
34. (Brew Barrel) Combine 1 Celestial Essence and 2 Flask of Water to make Purified Water
35. (Brew Barrel) Combine 1 Celestial Essence and 2 Flask of Water to make Purified Water
36. (Kiln) Combine 1 Jar of Acid and 1 Blue Diamond to make Blue Diamond Powder
37. (Kiln) Combine 1 Jar of Acid and 1 Blue Diamond to make Blue Diamond Powder
38. (Kiln) Combine 1 Jar of Acid and 1 Blue Diamond to make Blue Diamond Powder
39. (Brew Barrel) Combine 1 Blue Diamond Powder and 1 Purified Water to make Celestial Temper
40. (Brew Barrel) Combine 1 Blue Diamond Powder and 1 Purified Water to make Celestial Temper
41. (Brew Barrel) Combine 1 Blue Diamond Powder and 1 Purified Water to make Celestial Temper
42. (Vale Forge) Combine 1 Platinum Thread and 1 Celestial Temper to make an Infused Platinum Thread
43. (Vale Forge) Combine 1 Platinum Thread and 1 Celestial Temper to make an Infused Platinum Thread
44. (Vale Forge) Combine 1 Platinum Thread and 1 Celestial Temper to make an Infused Platinum Thread
45. (Vale Kit) Combine 4 Woven Tufts of Dire Wolf Fur, 3 Infused Platinum Threads and Acorn Oil to make a Leatherfoot Haversack

33 combines, with the 5% fail rate you're almost guaranteed that something is going to fail in the process so you need to go get more parts.

I enjoy making them, and sell them at 5250pp instantly at any hour of the day if I happen to make them. I don't enjoy the endless running around for parts. In an attempt to still make them and end the running around, I was willing to do combines for others. I had to stop since all people were bringing me was 36 tufts, 3 blue diamonds and blank stares when I asked about the rest. Then keeping me from other stuff for two hours while they ran around and got parts, asking me in every breath where and how to go about getting all the rest.

If anyone is selling these for 3k, they won't for long when they start to tally their time and effort into the accounting.