Leatherfoot bags

[saxi]

I just finished wu's and I have gathrered all the components together to make a 4 slot Leatherfoot bag. My skill is at 159 I believe, so i know i should be trying the 2-slot bag but i am greedy. the 4-slotter trivs at 186- 250, i believe. Has anyone else attempted one this early on? If so let me know how crazy this is or better yet how sane it is. thanks

[Figg]

i strongly recomend having a higher skill tailor do the attempt for you, yes you will likely be charged if that person succeeds (although some will do it free if theres a chance to skill up). also might want to consider saving the components for a 10 slot bag instead. there are plenty of cheap alternatives to the 4 slot bag unless you "need" the giant capacity, but if cost is an issue get a ralic pack made. just my opinion as a 250 halfling tailor, and someone who plays a monk equiped with leatherfoot haversacks.

[Dorkish]

Why not? If you've got the dire wolf tufts I think the backbacks are a great alternative way for us to skill up....

[Heartsong_Steelsoul]

Very few alternatives to skill up involve the expense of blue diamonds...

[Frabbens]

This is not sane. This is deeply crazy. But good luck; if you succeed, you'll have a bag you'll be *very* proud of.

/em saves his meager stash of tufts and BDs for a rainy day

[Erikanudan]

Until someone on your server makes a Tae Ew Hide Sack .... then you just feel silly making a 0.6 bag ...albeit, you'll have a great market ,,, just not the uber one.

[Gello]

At around 185 I started trying haversacks. I made one on my fourth attempt and shelved the tufts until much later. This was when a BD in the bazaar for 1500pp caused a stampede to that trader, so it was a pretty expensive endevour. Tho the haversack doesn't triv at 250 it has a pretty high success rate. Enough that at 212+ skill I was able to churn them out in large quantities. I would guess that the rest of the packs are the same and you may succeed in the 4-slot pack with relatively few tries.

If you're trying for a bag for yourself and would like a 4-slot one to carry around, think about trying a 6 or 8 slot. If you're thinking of making a 4-slot to sell, don't bother. Folks looking for weight reducing bags would probably bear the extra burden of weight for another 6 slots in a bag. The shoulder bag (6 slots) would have a decent market to mid-levelled folks and only uses 2 BDs, but it'd cost more to make than a rallic pack sells for (albeit that's lore). The 8-slot one has a funky graphic and bag collectors may want one for the novelty, but at that point you're using 3 BDs and may as well skill up to churn out the best.

On the tae ew hide packs, the blood is phenomenally common now in CT. At least in 4c. In a couple hours of hunting there we easily got a dozen or more bloods. The flawless tae ew hides tho are still ridiculously rare or we're killing the wrong lizards. (Brown ones at the corners)

[Woodeckt]

I strongly recomend against this as a skill up route. No one will purchase a 4 slot bag. I say this with the knowledge that I am making the 10 slotters on my server and they are hard sales due to tink bags. The tufts are not easy to forage I have held forage parties with 4 other people and just gotten enough to make 2 bags. Good luck but I think arctic wyvern or Acrylia or even solstice robes would be prefered to this route.

[Fondiler]

All buying and selling posts should be made to your marketplace forum. - Heartsong

[Meirril]

Just currious...BDs are going for about 400-800pp on Fennin Ro (on a busy day you can commonly find 550pp BDs, occasional blow out sells of 400, and at least a dozen selling between 650 and 800), what are they going for now on your server?

At 500 pp for a BD, I'm estimating a cost of around 2.5k to make a 10 slot bag. You should be easily able to sell one for 5k (undercut a tink bag by a few plat, and cut out the hassle of lugging 5k halfway acrost a continent or making 2 trips.) or even a little more if they arn't commonly for sale on your server (helps if nobody else competes )

[Theresa24]

Excuse me but I really must say this here...

Are you aware of how many tufts it is per bag?

You need to forage NINE tufts per woven furs. Consider that the best places to forage them (in my opinion) are kael and Thurgadin and you are looking at a LOT of time spent doing nothing but hitting that forage button (and dodging trains in kael unless you are hunting there).

Thats 36 tufts of fur for the 10 slot bag, 27 for the 8 and 6 slot, 18 for the 4 slot and 9 for the 2 slot. Its not fun to obtain them.

Plus, while you guys have taken into account the blue diamond cost, you fail to mention the platinum thread one! Blue diamonds are dropping alot more frequently these days-thanks to pop. But platinum threads are 210 platinum each. You will quickly go broke if you dont have an outlet to sell them-and I can guarantee the only bags that really sell are the 8 or 10 slot bags. Oddly enough, the cost for the 8 and 10 slot are the same-only difference is 9 more tufts and the trivial.

Personally, my halfling tailor has 201 skill. I combine 8 or 10 slots on demand from guild only. But I warn them to not do it if they can not afford to loose the materials. I am about 2/5 on the 10 slots-which really isnt bad considering the trivial is >250.

In my opinion, no bags until you can make the ones that sell. You'll go broke otherwise.

[Gello]

The tufts are surely the worst part of the bags, but it's not too bad if you nuture a market for them on your server. Basically it involves running around velious zones auctioning for them for 10-15pp per tuft for a few days during the week when it's not crowded. Every person that sells you one, tell them you'll buy as many as they ever get, and mention that they can auction to buy them for 3-5pp per tuft while they hunt in those zones then sell them to you for a markup. Then stop auctioning for them in those zones for a month or two. Let the mid-levelled folks levelling up gather the tufts and sell them to you at markup. Their continued presence in zone /auctioning will keep them visible to all the foragers so the tufts don't get destroyed. If you stay in zone also trying to buy for three times as much, you won't get anyone gathering them for you. It's a win-win scenerio. You'll eventually find tufts start popping up in bazaar due to people seeing them in demand. At one time on karana server there were over 400 tufts in the bazaar. Of course 200 of them were there for over a month since the traders were trying to sell them for 90-100pp each hehe. Others seeing some for that much started to price 50pp+ so they sort of piled up until the sensible people began to creep their prices downward. Now they run around 10-20pp consistently and it's a pretty good source.

I must have made about 40 haversacks in the past couple months. Demands is still pretty high, and was when I sold them at 6k but due to falling BD prices I've dropped price to 5250pp so I don't have to hear the "tinker bags go for 5250pp, why pay 6k". At 5250pp the profit margin can be very slim at times. The occasional BD lost is too common for their triv levels. (Just today I used 9 blue diamonds to make one haversack lol. The tradeskill gods were angry. Lost one in kiln, one in barrel, one in forge, then failed first haversack.) Then you tack on 630pp or 840 for platinum thread, then 500-1k for tufts and you're looking at just over 1k profit at times considering no fails on the bag itself. But it still makes some money and it's pretty fun.

[Theresa24]

Ahh but 36 X 10 plat and thats an added 360 plat for the 10 slot bag.

Personally, I like to keep the cost as low as possible so I sit and forage in kael-oh what fun!

Also, I have not seen them any lower then 15 plat in the bazaar on Tunare and occasionally up to 25.

Of course if you foraged your own furs, you might have a bigger profit margin...*smiles*

[munwin]

Since ive started buying the Tufts on Povar some of the more greedy pains-in-my-ass have gone from 5plat to 50 or 100 PER tuft. I refuse to buy them at that price so they sit there in the /bazaar. Unfortunatly this starts a trend of "oh look xyz has them for sale at 100plat, i'll sell mine for 90plat mentality. Some people will lower the price if i speak to them but others are AFK traders.
As a Cleric i cant forage them myself and dont have the time to level up a forages toon.

Sorry venting

Munwin Mistwalker
Triton of Povar
THE original Halfling Cleric

I wish VI would add forage to the lists as an AA skill

[Abaddon]

Same is happening on CT.
There's a long list of idiots asking for 75pp per tuft :P They clearly dont understand that we tailors wont shell out 2700 plat for the tufts, another 1935 for the blue diamond temper ( that's assuming you can get it a bottom dollar) for a 1/3 chance of success at 250, and a best retail price of 5500.

If youve paid more for a bag - well sorry but know you're stuff tinkers bag only costs 5525, and is the same