Multi hide swatches

[Calrain]

Just looking through the listing of DoN tailoring and noticed that there are multi-hide swatches. I haven't noticed a mention anywhere about why there are multi-hide swatches, nor why one would even consider using multi-hide swatches unless absolutely necessary.
Is the end resultant swatch the same in each case?
If so, am I missing something?
BTW I'm referring to the (3) hide/pelt and (6) hide/pelt combinations to achieve a swatch, which as listed in the recipes is the same item number.

Calrain Wolfpacer

[Calrain]

Nm

Just found the answer, the multi-hide use results in multiple swatches returned on combine, thus eliminating extra subcombines. Disregard and/or delete the post

Calrain Wolfpacer

[Dyllwin]

Just found the answer, the multi-hide use results in multiple swatches returned on combine, thus eliminating extra subcombines. Disregard and/or delete the post

Calrain Wolfpacer

hehe I just wish they would impliment this type of combine on the stuff we won't stress over if we lose 6 at a time....I hate losing 60k+ worth of stuff on a "sub"-combine!

[Wyvernwill]

yeah, as far as I am concerned, I only do the single combines anyway. I did a stack of 20 with 60 shissar scales and failed three times... hurts losing 9 scales in one shot. Wouldn't have lost anywhere near that had I been doing the single combines.

[Phantron]

Statistically it works out the same whether you combine 6 at a time or 1 at a time.

Not that I did 6 metallic drake scales at once, of course. I did lose a batch of 6 shissar scales once.

[Psychosis]

Statistically it works out the same whether you combine 6 at a time or 1 at a time.

Not that I did 6 metallic drake scales at once, of course. I did lose a batch of 6 shissar scales once.

Yea but if your working on skill ups then the 1 at a time is best.

[Wyvernwill]

Statistically, yes. In EQ, no.

I've tried the various methods of doing this, hoping that it would just mean less combines and more chance of just having more combines in the end. However, the RNG is a fickle demon. So far, I have lost more Shissar Scales to multiple combines than I have to single combines. I have attempted about 200 combines of scales about 120 singles and about 70-80 triples. I've had four failures on the triple combines, and 9 failures on the singles. Adds up to:
Triples: 12 scales lost
Singles: 9 scales lost

Granted, since Shissar scales are common and fairly easy to gather, I don't really have much to complain about on extra losses, but it has convinced me to never even bother with the multiple combines with MDS and the likes.

[Calrain]

Fairly small sample in the scheme of statistics, and well within tolerances to prove the statistics really, there's only 3 scale difference in losses from your numbers which isn't truly significant. If you stretched it out to 1000 combines of each, I think you might find over the long run that the numbers would tend to even out even more.

Regards,

Calrain Wolfpacer

[Phantron]

I did about 600 scales 6 at a time and lost only 6 total.

[Wyvernwill]

You're right. It is a small sample. I will agree fully on that, however my point is that the RNG does affect people a lot, both positively and negatively. Take Phantrons run of 100 combines with 1 failure. I've had runs like that doing Blessed Dusts, then had a run where I failed 12 out of 100 with no change in skill level. Yes, it does balance out... usually.

I guess I am content just doing singles *shrugs* less worry on my half about the RNG.

[emandes]

Yeah - that's what makes one grin evil - I have smithing 233 with mod15% ie. 267 skill and on combining magnetic patch plate (triv 162) I failed 2 out of 5
There should be significant reduction of fails secured with skill more than 100 above triv. Either have the same probability to get a skillup that you have to get a fail or make it no fail combines. I.e. having skill 100 above triv make it no fail or if there is still a probability of 5% to fail - give a 5% probability to gain a skillup

[Phantron]

I believe you get -1% to min chance to fail for every 40 skill you're above trivial, but this only applies to your raw skill.

So you'll never have less than a 4% chance to fail a metallic drake scale combine, for example.

[Zaltak]

You can do 6 swatches/Hides at a time for 55plat or you can do 6 seperately for 36plat.I think i'll do em seperatly thanks:-P

[Ghismonda]

When I only had 3 scales and wanted to make a BP, I did 3 at a time. Why? Because losing one of them was the same as losing all of them, in that I had to wait for another day to try my BP combine. I looked it at not as coming out with more, but 3 more chances for the RNG to ruin my BP attempt. One gamble, one win.

[Twistagain]

You can do 6 swatches/Hides at a time for 55plat or you can do 6 seperately for 36plat.I think i'll do em seperatly thanks:-P

Unless your components cost different amounts than mine, it is slightly cheaper to do the 3 or 6 combines because you only have to buy 1 large spool or reel, where you would need 3 or 6 small spools to do them separately.

So, in the end, I'm doing them in groups of 3 or 6 (depends on how many I have) whenever possible. Statistically, same result...and it's slightly cheaper. Unfortunately, I failed 3 Glossy Drake Hides this past weekend. :\