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**matteo** · 01-08-2003, 11:41 AM

heh

Don't assume you are going to sell 276 robes.

**Craftah** · 01-08-2003, 12:09 PM

Also your success rate will probably be lower than 1 in 20 in the beggining.

During my tailoring run from 185 to 196 I did 160 robe combines and got 5 robes with 255 INT and a geerlok. Only 6 of the 11 skillups came on robe combines, the rest came on Acrylia Studded/Reinforced.

A much safer thing to say would be 1 in 40 during that run.

I managed to sell all 5 robes at 3.5k because there had been no robes for sale for a few days on my server. Of course the high level tailors noticed this and now there are 40+ robes for sale at 2K each.

Is 1k the normal price for robes on your server?

**GwyrTunare** · 01-08-2003, 01:57 PM

Also .. cost for chains is significantly higher than 525 unless you have access to an enchanter with 255 skill and JCM3.

"normal" (250 skill + geerlock) success rates on chains is about 50 / 50

01-08-2003, 02:05 PM

Is 1k the normal price for robes on your server?

On Brell 1400 is the 'normal' price for Solstice robes.

I've been wanting that earring for a while now, and continually check on all the items, thinking I can buy one at a time when I get some extra cash.

Anyhow, in a month approx of searching/dreaming, cheapest I've seen is 1k even, most is under 2k I think, though I don't take as much notice of a most figure. 9x out of 10 they are all at 1400 though.

**Tasu** · 01-08-2003, 02:14 PM

A couple comments....

1. Good luck selling all those robes.. even at 1k.

2. You are dreaming if you think you are going to get a skillup for every 20 combines.

3. The ceiling is 250... not 255.

A nice attempt at gathering this data though.. and a good place to start... but I can safely say you should double your result and that would probably be more realistic.... gaining skillups from robe combines pre-200 is NOT an easy/cheap task.... after you've done 300 combines and only seen one skillup from it then you will know what I mean.

**zathrs** · 01-08-2003, 03:58 PM

Well, to answer some questions (I'm no expert, I only know what I've picked-up on this board):

"Don't assume you are going to sell 276 robes."

No, I don't assume I can sell 276 robes. I do not actually intend to set out and follow this level up plan - it's just an interesting exercise to give me an idea of what it would cost.

"Also your success rate will probably be lower than 1 in 20 in the beggining."

It is my understanding that there is a 5% base chance to make *anything*, so 1 in 20 in the beginning is ok.

"Is 1k the normal price for robes on your server?"

Seems to be the basement price on them, probably can sell for a bit more but then would sell at a slower rate, and since we got so many, you need to push them out the door.

"cost for chains is significantly higher than 525"

I am assuming access to a GM jeweler (and emerald imbuer, btw) who will make them for free (there must be literally a thousand GM jewelers on my server). Is 525pp an accurate price for free combines on it?

"You are dreaming if you think you are going to get a skillup for every 20 combines."

All of the long term data that I have read seem to indicate about a 1 in 20 chance to get a skillup. I am not counting the sob-story "I did 132 combines w/o a single combine, FU VSI" posts, but only those that kept accurate count over a long time period. There are also happy stories of 3-in-a-row skillups to balance out the tough luck runs. If anyone has better hard evidence to the contrary, I'd sure like to use it...

"The ceiling is 250... not 255."

Do'h :-)

**Arghargh** · 01-08-2003, 04:04 PM

Based on what I've seen in the sickle market, it would take you a very long time to sell that many robes. Months at best with no competition, to literally years. Not impossible though.

Arghargh Grumble, Darkblood
58 Ogre Shaman of Rallos Zek
Alchemy � 170
Baking � 200
Brewing - 200
Fishing - 200
Fletching � 200
Jewelcraft �200
Potting - 200
Grandmaster Smith - 250
Tailoring � 161

**ItienneEQ** · 01-08-2003, 04:23 PM

Robe formula

Thanks for asking about this... you prompted me to go dig this off the old boards, when I'd forgot all about transferring it over. It's true that nowadays it would probably be hard to sell hundreds of robes. I did, but I was one of the first three on my server to be selling them.

Anyway, here's the formula for figuring out whether you can afford to make robes (it does assume that you'll know some numbers to plug into it... I wouldn't even try sampling for this until 200 skill though):

a= sale price of robes on your server
b= your average cost for a chain
x= cost of silk
y= average number of combines to get a success
(20 + x) * 3 = cost of blessed silks per combine

So the basic formula is
a = (y * ((20 + x) * 3)) +b to figure how much you'd need to sell a robe for to break even

You can also solve for
y = (a-b) / ((20 + x) * 3) to figure what success rate you need to break even

or solve for
x = (((a-b) / y) / 3) - 20 to figure what you can afford to pay if you purchase silks

**rassy fleetfoot** · 01-08-2003, 04:54 PM

cost per chain combine is about 250p. 131 for ruby, 105 for sapphire, 1ish for emerald. plus the silver bar for the pre chain..right at 250. if you're lucky. unless you have special circumstances like a jc of 300 of something, be set for about 1 in 3, MAYBE 1 in 2 chains..success rate on them sucks rocks.

also, you may not want to be wielding the mighty geerlok if you're going for combines vs improves. saving all the chains you can is the key i'd think..at least on Xegony its pretty hard to unload A robe without dropping below 1k and undercutting the guy who's undercutting everyone else.

**Qualan** · 01-14-2003, 12:20 AM

The more people skill up on robes, the lower they go.

I have like 20 robes for sale right now and the market has another 30-ish at least in it.

Prices have plummeted to around 850pp now, making robes a serious money sink now.

Thank god i made a bundle on the low level skill-ups where i could burn a lot of silks on one combine and still show a profit. At 235 the successrate is killing the robe as a viable way of rising the skill, so back to fishing for cod for the last few bits and hoping for friendly skillrises doing cultural erudite stuff

**Idana Phoenixfyre** · 01-14-2003, 05:48 AM

Haha Qualan, I am doing the same thing. Robe prices on my server hover around 900pp +/- and I've given up. I had one person bring me materials for combines on Erudite cultural and I made her a whole set. I heard from someone else that she has in her inspection box that I made the armor! (LOL bless her!) I'm now getting requests from others wanting to buy the armor. Forget robes, I'd rather do cultural any day anyway.

Idana

**Pockets FullOfGold** · 01-14-2003, 07:09 AM

Glad I am that I don't have the funds to go this way or the ability to do all the enchanting/foraging on my own. I wouldn't be wasting my money working on skillups for Solstice Robes. While it's cheaper to make things like Acrylia Studded or Acrylia Reinforced armor, if you do your own farming, failing a Combine or Succeeding on a Combine doesn't worry me because I'm not making any to sell in the Bazaar. 2 PP to make Acrylia Studded or Acrylia Reinforced makes the loss on a failed combine a very minimal loss, and I make almost 1/2 of the cost back on a success selling to a Merchant.

Pockets FullOfGold
Level 59 Thief
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**reolin spellbynder** · 01-17-2003, 08:50 AM

Making Acrylia Studded and Reinforced Acrylia without losing money on them assumes that you have the capability to farm the hides and also to find the hoppers spawned and not overcamped everytime you go looking for them. I am specifically referring to Dawnshroud as I heard that the hides are rare in lower zones with hoppers. On Saryrn the hides go for between 100 and 150pp each in the bazaar and i have a feeling that some farmers intentionally despawn them to keep the prices high (

**Pockets FullOfGold** · 01-17-2003, 10:24 AM

I suppose there may be those that despawn the Rockhoppers in DSP purposely so that the prices of Hides are kept high, I cannot refute that. Putting up with so many people farming the Hides in DSP, whether for LQ up to Flawless, is all a part of going to the Caves in DSP. I would prefer the ability to be in the DSP Rockhopper/Sambata's farming as many as I can as fast as I can, but since it's considered FFA (at least on The Rathe) I work around the other groups/soloers that may or may not be there.

While I want to get to skill level 250 with my Tailoring I am in no big hurry to get there. This is probably one of the reason's why I'm farming the Hides/Acrylia to get skillups instead of buying them in the Bazaar. I can see the frustration of farming the Hides in DSP, I've been frustrated a few times myself when I see a group pull a whole bunch of rockhoppers out of the cave at once leaving me with none for upwards of 10 minutes while waiting on repops, but it's all a part of the camp.

Basically it all comes down to, "what are you willing to put up with".

Btw, groups from level 40+ should not have too much of a problem with the Rockhoppers/Sambata's in DSP. As long as they have good coordination. Snare/Fear works wonders against them, even with 1 tank and 1 healer.

Pockets FullOfGold

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