Wyvern Mask Combines

[viso]

I have a skill level of 187 and acquired 200 of each component to make the combine, at a cost of about 80kpp. I was all set with 1 backpack of each component and I sat down in my favorite spot and started to combine. I got a success on my first try but no skill up. I then hit the combine 59 more times without a success or a skillup. I stopped and put all the components back for what I paid from them on my trader. I have a couple of questions:

1. Since the trivial is 335 does this affect my skill ups? (Wisdom 280)
2. Is it normal to not skill up from 187-188 with 60 combines?
3. What am I doing wrong?

Thanks in advance.

Visos

[Faerel]

My tailoring sucks but I do know that the closer your skill is to the trivial, the more chance you have to succeed at the combine, therefore the greater the chance to get a skillup. I would say 60 failed combines and no skillups at 187 would not be unusual.

[centx]

if you plan on buying you component's in the bazaar wxpect to pay alot more than 80kpp. Even after farming everything thing yourself you can expect to pay a good deal more than that.

[Pootle]

save them for higher level skillups and find something with a lower triv.

[Akishka]

OK, first thing to know is that you are twice as likely to skill up on a success as a failure. I don't understand the exact math but if you are interested, the formula is a sticky under General Tradeskills

Second thing to know is, yes that many fails is pretty typical given how far away from trivial you are. I'm at 213 with geerlok and I'm not getting much better of a success rate and I think thats pretty typical as well.

You will eventually get skill ups on this path but at a very slow rate.

So, while you are not doing anything 'wrong', there are other ways that would probably work a little better.

Acrylia reinforced and some of the GOD whips should work much better for you as they have a much lower trivial. Depending on your servers economy, you can probably get the ingredients for about the same price and you will be much more sucessful at it, leading to more skill ups in the long run.

If you want to stick with the 335 stuff, ceremonial soltice robes are much cheaper overall as the one expensive ingredient is returned on a fail (if you have somebody to imbue emeralds, you are looking at about 40 pp per fail - 1/10 of what you are paying now).

[Feonna]

This is by no means backed up with data, just a general impressions I have from getting to 11 points from 1750 (grrr, tailoring takes so much TIME!). It seems there is a "hump" starting around the upper 180s to about 210-220 where skillups slow down. Also, I try to do dark blue or yellow (in the TS container UI) recipes in the 150s or so on up. My experience is that skillups slow way down when the recipe is light blue. This isn't to say I haven't done the 335 ones, I have, but I would start them in the 230s or so. Except for solstice robes, I did those about 185 to 210. (Colors are without a geerlok)

There also seems to be a sweet spot in the dark blue range where I would get better than a skillup in 20 combines. Again, I didn't take notes (probably should have), but these are my "rules" as I think about doing the shawl with a second character...

[Yitara]

Wyvern tailoring is evil. Just attempted 80 combines at 233 skill. Only succeeded about 50% of the time and got NO points. Sell you stuff in the bazaar to other suckers and skill up some other way.

[Tweedledea]

All Velious tailoring is high fail. High fail=low skill-up.

[Aalar]

I have noticed that I seem to have a tough time getting to 200+ on a tradeskill then it gets easier past 200 skill. My worst string was 113 combines with no skill up on pottery at point number 196.

60 combines is certainly not out of the ordinary. I would something else cheaper - like solstice robes to around 210. In any event, tailoring is for the wealthly at high levels, or so it seems.

If you can do all your own farming it's not too bad to do the arctic wyverns. Actually that can be siad for most anything.

Aalar

[Aweluk]

i have noticed the same as above post. light blue combines took me longer to skill up than blues. im thinking this is the way to go but i havent, and prolly wont due to the lack of time i have, write it down or test it.

[Obina]

The Developers have confirmed the equations. There is no hump nor wave in skill-ups. Of course it can seem like it due to the RNG, and the combines we choose to try. But over time, the RNG is even handed.

The lowest number of combines to skill up is when we do combines as close to our current skill as possible, so we succeed more. The lowest time, effort and plat may be somewhat different, but this is the exception, not the norm. As mentioned Solstice Robes are cheaper when we fail, since the finished item have low resale value, and the GSC is returned on failure.

So at 187, your experience is not unique, but may be on the unlucky side of center. ( i think you should have expected to succeed on 3, and even with most failures, you had a good chance of 1 skill up).Anyway, the ideas of looking at Acrylia and Solstice Robes seem worth considering. These are less cost (time effort plat) for most.

Personnally, I think I'm going to get all the salvage and tailoring AA's before I finish skilling up in Tailoring!

[Raynon]

I had a similar experience just the other night in baking. I realize it's not tailoring, but the experience itself was almost identical. At baking 191 I decided to try Misty thicket picnic, triv: 335. Got components for 100 combines and out of 100 attempts - 2 skillups and 2 successful combines.

I'm right there with you.


Raynon

[Tunee]

Even though I KNOW all of this, you guys are still scaring me away from tailoring! Hehe, the first tradeskill I started, the last one I will finish!! I am sitting at 200 now, have all my new taanan done, but am STILL dreading the thought of starting this most heinous of tasks! Its made even worse by my not being able to do the robes (halfling here). I try to farm stuff, but last time I went to CS and it wasn't packed full of peeps, I only netted about 12 skins in two hours from all three types, sigh. So I decided to try to farm the hynid stuffs for the whips. It was actually pretty easy (except for that scare with the big leezard once!!) what with DCing and running around looking for spawns, but had even worse results in drops (I think it was 3 hairs/manes and 3 blood, sigh.
So, now I think I shall just go back to farming plat to buy my components. I would try farming Luclin mobs but Luclin has ALWAYS put the fear of Karana in me and I HATE those mobs!! Many many bad memories as a young druid, sniff sniff, first ever debuff (of my KEI no less!!) was there! EEK!!
Here's to hoping OoW came out with some mid 200 recipies that AREN'T a total hell to collect for!!

Tunee Tutall

PS Raynon, you should try the GoD baking, SOOOOO much better than MTP or the meat pies! I NEVER once made those and just got baking to 250 two days ago (spoon on first shot woot!) I bought enough meats to go from 200-250 for under 10pp from vendor and the only hard things to collect enough of were the veggies and eggs, which are SOOOO cheap compared to other tradeskill ingredients (although 15pp per veggie still seems wrong!!) Look those recipies up, the beer ones, nice range up to 252 I believe.

[Kemie Dreamshadow]

[QUOTE=Obina]The Developers have confirmed the equations. There is no hump nor wave in skill-ups. Of course it can seem like it due to the RNG, and the combines we choose to try. But over time, the RNG is even handed.
[QUOTE]

That's funny. I wonder how many developers have done as much tradeskilling as some here? Sigh...

In spite of what they say, I encountered that same "sticky spot" roughly around the 180's in all of the tradeskills but one, and I'm 200 or better in all of the major skills now (i.e. except for class specific ones). Having heard that there WAS a rough spot was all that kept me going at times - knowing that some day I would actually pass it if I kept chugging away, and things would get easier.

So if there isn't one, it's remarkably coincidental that I ran into it in the same skill range so many different times.

Kemie

[Xanthe Ravenwolf]

Yes, it is common to go for long runs of attempts with no skill ups/ successes. I used to do batches of 50 -100 Wyvern Masks and sometimes I would not get a skill up for a couple of batches. And yes, it sucks....