New trivial for acrylia studded

[Hobbun]

I'm sorry if I missed it earlier, but I noticed in the updated recipe page for Luclin leather that acrylia studded items were changed to a trivial of 188 from 202. When was that changed?

Hobbun
Druid of Karana
43rd Season

[Pockets FullOfGold]

Acrylia Studded Armor has had a trivial of 188 well before I started my run to 250 back in October when I was at 115.

Pockets FullOfGold

[Shadusanator]

trivial

I received a trivial message on acrylia studded mask at 187 last week. /shrug

[Rad]

Hmmm

Skill 187 here and Acrylia Studded Masks were not Triv to me tonight.

[Zeralenn]

The real test will be whether my halfling tailor at 200 gets a triv message. A 187 tailor will get a trivial message even if it's still trivial at 188, so I'm not sure what either of those messages reporting trivial message at 187 is supposed to prove.

Similar rumor going around on the smithing boards about fine plate trivials, although oddly enough no one can ever remember what "updated trader page" they saw it on.

Like everything related to tradeskills and Everquest -- I'll believe it when I see it.

...Zera

[GraemeFaelban]

A tailor at 187 will not get a trivial message if the trivial is 188. So, if someone with a 187 did indeed get a trivial message, that would mean the trivial is 187 or lower.

[Rad]

"A 187 tailor will get a trivial message even if it's still trivial at 188, so I'm not sure what either of those messages reporting trivial message at 187 is supposed to prove." - Zera

Now, I am new to this tradeskill game and am not the clear "expert" Zera is. Thus, I am sure I missed the memo on this one.

I do not understand.. if my ability is below an items trivial level, why would I get a trivial message?

[Krazick]

I think Zeralenn got the wording in a way to be slightly confusing....

Example: Recipe X is Trivial at 188.

1. Character with
a) Skill Level of 187
b) attempts to make the item,
c) and FAILS,
d) and DOES NOT Recieve a Skill Up, will get one message:
Your skill was insufficient to create the item (wording might be slightly different)

2. Character with
a) Skill Level of 187
b) attempts to make the item,
c) and FAILS,
d) and DOES Recieve a Skill Up, will get two messages:
Your skill was insufficient to create the item (wording might be slightly different)
You have increased your skill to 188.

3. Character with
a) Skill Level of 187
b) attempts to make the item,
c) and SUCEEDS
d) and DOES NOT Recieve a Skill Up, will get one message:
You made something new!

4. Character with
a) Skill Level of 187
b) attempts to make the item,
c) and SUCEEDS
d) and DOES Recieve a Skill Up, will get two messages:
You made something new!
You have increased your skill to 188.

Now will look at with an increased Skill.

5. Character with
a) Skill Level of 188
b) attempts to make the item,
c) and FAILS,
d) and DOES NOT Recieve a Skill Up, will get one message:
Your skill was insufficient to create the item (wording might be slightly different)

6. Character with
a) Skill Level of 188
b) attempts to make the item,
c) and FAILS,
d) and WOULD HAVE Recieved a Skill Up,
*** DOES NOT HAPPEN - You get Situation 5 ****

7. Character with
a) Skill Level of 188
b) attempts to make the item,
c) and SUCEEDS
d) and DOES NOT Recieve a Skill Up, will get two messages:
You made something new!
You cannot Increase in Skill

8. Character with
a) Skill Level of 188
b) attempts to make the item,
c) and SUCEEDS
d) and WOULD HAVE Recieved a Skill Up,
*** DOES NOT HAPPEN - You get Situation 7 ****

And if your skill is > 188, you still will get either Situation 5 or 7.

POINTS to note from these examples:
1. Situations 1 and 5 tell you NOTHING about the Trivial of the Recipe.
2. Situation 2 & 4 Gives you only that the Recipe Trivial > your current (OLD) Skill Level. Not the New Skill Level reached.
3. Situation 3 Gives you only that Recipe Trivial > your current Skill Level.
4. Situation 7 Gives you that the Recipe is Trivial <= your current Skill Level.

[GraemeFaelban]

The report by Shadusantor would mean that the trivial level is 187 or lower, if correct. Specifically, Shadusantor said that he or she recieved a trivial message at skill 187 on an acrylia studded mask.

Rad reported the opposite, but did not specifically say that the combine was a success when no trivial message was recieved.