Livestone (earth) Breastplate not worth it

[SinolaAB]

Was hoping it would have more hps. Pitty that only water is worth making. All other armor goes to alts/twinks/bazaar.


Livestone Plate Breastplate
MAGIC ITEM
Slot: CHEST
AC: 65
STR: +5 DEX: +12 WIS: +10 INT: +10 Agi +10 HP: +90 MANA: +90
SV MAGIC +25
Recommended level of 63. Required level of 46.
WT: 8.0 Size: MEDIUM
Class: WAR CLR PAL SHD BRD
Race: ALL

Sinola
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[Delfontes]

Can I be your alt/twink?

[Lilosh]

Can I be your alt/twink?

As soon as wizards wear Plate Armor, caster-child.

-Lilosh

[Delfontes]

With those stats, I'll wear it under my robe, so no one can see it.

[Naelia]

/boggle

:shock:

/boggle

[Sanna]

TEN wis, NINTY mana, sv magic TWENTYFIVE and it's 'not worth making'? You don't pvp much, do you?

[Aandaie]

Looks like it rocks to me, I'd have it on my cleric or sk in seconds and not feel like they ever needed another BP

Evidently you don't think its that great for the materials you need for it?

[Gerwood2]

sucks for the people in those planes..and the lame component hunting for a plate bp attempt. So, for anybody making it isnt worth the time.

[Phantron]

The earth plate armor have air stats (and water has Earth stats) because air items have always had more HP than mana, stats toward sta & str, and resist toward svD and svP. It should really be 120 HP 50 mana like the Earth robes, but who knows when that'll actually get fixed.

[Aethn]

I agree. With the amount of time needed and the flags required, this Plate BP is woeful. Should be 120 hp like the robes.

For everyone saying its just fine, you are not in elementals. This items is SUPPOSE to be an upgrade to people in those planes, not twink / bazaar gear. Very few, and I mean VERY FEW guilds allow members to sell these items at bazaar. You just cant 'farm' these drops, it takes a skilled group / raid to get them.

[Sunmina]

yes and no

I've made 2 of the earth, 1 of the Air (roughly equivalent to Earth BP) and 2 of the water BP's so far. All have found their place on mains in guild. The PoWater ones have gone to melee while the PoEarth and PoAir ones have gone to clerics I think. Then again, most of the people getting them were rather new to the guild...

If you're not in the elemental planes and curious why people are complaining, here's a bit if explanation.

PoWater BP - Took us roughly 40 hours of single group farming to get. Very nice BP and slightly worse than some of the higher end Luclin plate BP's for melee's but at least you dont have to risk years of therapy by trying to farm Seru or AHR. We even got some decent exp and items while farming this. 40 hours is a bit much but ok. Lets assume this is the right reward for time spent.

PoEarth BP - Impossible to reliably farm since all the mobs are mixed. Roughly 60 hours of single groups here before we had enough for an attempt. BP is slightly better than Velious quest armor. Makes no sense that this is harder to farm than PoWater but ok, lets assume that Verant values mana just as much as hp (unlike most of the player base) and move on. 150% of the time for an equivalent or worse item makes no sense.

PoAir - Impossible to farm with a single group. I wont even go into how much I hate PoAir but it took several guild raids before we had enough for 1 BP. Equivalent stats to PoEarth. Plain crazy that this is the same BP but so much harder to get.

PoFire - 50 hp, 120 mana I think. Hard to farm. Some pieces come from the first roamer field. Others come from the second roamer field (hello triple 700 mobs!). I suppose some cleric would like the BP but I haven't been able to gather up the energy to make an attempt. Sheer insanity to make this BP require pieces that are hard to get.

Even assuming that the required effort on the PoWater BP is inline with that SoE is thinking, the other elemental planes BPs are way out of whack. The quality of the item vs. the difficulty / time required to get the components just makes no sense what so ever. It also makes no sense to require 6 to 7 times as many rare components to make plate items than chain. It makes no sense to require 5 times as many rare components for leather elemental tailoring than it does silk. But hey, I'm trying to keep this out of the primal rant section so I wont discuss those topic. )

Don't get me wrong, it's a decent BP and I'm happy to have made an item that provided a guildie with an upgrade, but I'd like to see a bit more consistency. In the 60 hours it took my 1 group to farm 1 PoEarth BP attempt we could have killed Vindi, SoRZ and Dozer multiple times for equivalent or better items.

Bottom line - More effort required to obtain should equal better item obtained. This isnt the case here, not by a long shot.

[Lling]

sucks for the people in those planes..and the lame component hunting for a plate bp attempt. So, for anybody making it isnt worth the time.

In all honesty, I don't think it is lame - and I am in those planes. My husband and I duo in earth to farm components for our tradeskills. 3-4% aa exp per kill and lots of drops and the ability to make stuff for our guild that is an upgrade for people is really pretty nice.

I'm sorry you are disappointed, and I agree that water is the BEST stuff, but I know very few people who would not consider this a darn good BP and - in most instances - an upgrade.

[OberonMiM]

TEN wis, NINTY mana, sv magic TWENTYFIVE and it's 'not worth making'? You don't pvp much, do you?

Wearing a droppable armor of that calibur for normal pvp?

I guess you don't PvP much either (or at least on Rallos you dont)

[kiztent]

For comparison, here's a couple of high end Luclin Breastplates.

From Seru:
Heavy Yttrium Chestplate
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Slot: CHEST
AC: 75
STR: +20 STA: +20 WIS: +20 INT: +20 HP: +125 MANA: +125
SV FIRE: +30 SV DISEASE: +15 SV COLD: +15 SV MAGIC: +15 SV POISON: +30
Effect: Yttric Ventus (Worn)
WT: 10.0 Size: LARGE
Class: WAR CLR PAL SHD BRD
Race: ALL

From Aten Ha Ra:
Great Shadow Platemail
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Slot: CHEST
AC: 80
STR: +25 DEX: +25 STA: +25 WIS: +15 INT: +15 AGI: +25 HP: +125 MANA: +125
SV FIRE: +30 SV COLD: +30
Recommended level of 60.
Effect: Vengeance X (Worn)
WT: 5.0 Size: TINY
Class: WAR PAL SHD BRD
Race: ALL

Any guild that is on the elemental planes can (and probably does) both of these bosses.

Taking a step down in difficulty, Cursed in ssra temple drops:
Breastplate of the Void
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Slot: CHEST
Charges: Unlimited
AC: 65
STR: +25 DEX: +8 STA: +25 WIS: +8 INT: +8 AGI: +8 HP: +110 MANA: +75
SV FIRE: +8 SV DISEASE: +8 SV COLD: +8 SV MAGIC: +8 SV POISON: +8
Required level of 51.
Effect: Heart of the Void (Must Equip, Casting Time: 2.5)
WT: 9.0 Size: MEDIUM
Class: WAR CLR PAL SHD BRD
Race: ALL

I'm not sure that this elemental BP is a significant upgrade over any of these.


I'd also remind people to compare:
Wind-worn Chestplate
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM
Slot: CHEST
AC: 54
STR: +7 DEX: +6 STA: +5 WIS: +10 INT: +10 HP: +45 MANA: +45
SV DISEASE: +13 SV POISON: +13
Recommended level of 56.
WT: 8.5 Size: LARGE
Class: WAR CLR PAL SHD BRD
Race: ALL

Which drops from the mobs you farm for hurrican tempers, which after you get 6 tempers can be used to make:
Hurricane Plate Breastplate
MAGIC ITEM
Slot: CHEST
AC: 51
DEX: +9 WIS: +10 INT: +10 HP: +65 MANA: +50
SV DISEASE: +5 SV MAGIC: +13 SV POISON: +5
Recommended level of 61. Required level of 46.
WT: 8.0 Size: MEDIUM
Class: WAR CLR PAL SHD BRD
Race: ALL

In this case it's actually easier to farm a comperable BP then to make a smithed one :shock:

[Gryfalia]

For everyone saying its just fine, you are not in elementals. This items is SUPPOSE to be an upgrade to people in those planes, not twink / bazaar gear. Very few, and I mean VERY FEW guilds allow members to sell these items at bazaar. You just cant 'farm' these drops, it takes a skilled group / raid to get them.

I agree with most everything said in this thread, except this part.

Very rarely is crafted gear on par with the place that you have to be to get it. Expecting something that is crafted to be an upgrade is setting yourself up for disappointment. I mean I actually made a hurricane plate breastplate (and actually sold it), and lemme tell you, getting those 5.5 drops of pure rain was far harder than getting equal or better armor elsewhere. On top of that, there is usually only 1 or 2 good items in a given set of armor. Heck, I'm still having a very hard time crafting arms better than my SS cleric quest armor..gonna bite the bullet and make Hurricane armor for my arms, just because it is a tad bit better. (because Mini Aten hates us and never drops the GOOD arms...sigh).

So, anyway, saying that crafted armor from a place is supposed to be an upgrade is, from experience, false. Sometimes someone has a gear hole to fill, but that's usually more by accident than anything else..

Gryfalia