Help w/ High Elf Smithing (188 and beyond!!!)

[Kayxiuz]

Well i am going the arylia way. just have to start farming Acrylia.

[kekenewah]

Swirling mist?

Ok I have been saving morning dew and essence of moonlight for 3 years and have a lot saved up. Problem is I don't have any swirling mist saved up. I went to Steamfront and AoE the mobs for an hours and no steam elementals popped. The only thing that popped was earth elementals. I don't want to kill the twilight sea elementals as I port there all the time and don't want to be KOS. Any other places to get swirling mists in decent quantities. The prices in the bazaar on Drinal stink (100 pp each swirling mist). Thanks.

[Gnarl]

Re: Swirling mist?

Originally posted by kekenewah
Ok I have been saving morning dew and essence of moonlight for 3 years and have a lot saved up. Problem is I don't have any swirling mist saved up. I went to Steamfront and AoE the mobs for an hours and no steam elementals popped. The only thing that popped was earth elementals. I don't want to kill the twilight sea elementals as I port there all the time and don't want to be KOS. Any other places to get swirling mists in decent quantities. The prices in the bazaar on Drinal stink (100 pp each swirling mist). Thanks.

Farm the Shades on the Shade island for Swirlies... my apologies if this was answered later, I'm jumping in late and haven't gotten to the end yet. Back on track: Elementals don't drop Swirling Shadows, the Shades do. Elementals do drop the Essence of Wind (unfortunate name that) for Acrylia temper. I too am dreading being KoS to these guys for the same reason, so am unsure how to collect the EoW.

Also, Humming Orbs for SS armor combines trivial at 168, thus a reasonable path to 168 is to farm goods to make humming orbs, combine them to train up to 168, then move to FS to go from 168 to 188. THEN move to SS armor with all the orbs you now have saved up (as if we have space for that many orbs).... now, I'd be happy if Humming orbs stacked... No, I don't think that having them stack would be that monstrous a change that it would "trivialize" Smithing.

I got my High Elf Enchanter to 188 skill for 8th Shawl using FS combines. The sell back rate and success rate on FS is so good, that it's an impossible path to ignore. Yes, you have to have a large seed fund of about 3kp, but, you should get 90% of that back. If I recall correctly, I had 3kp to train from 164 to 188 and it cost me only several hundred platinum when all was said and done... and this AFTER the sellback nerf.

GnarliAnna 188 Smith, 250 JC, 203 Tailoring, etc
BudoGnarl 212 Smith

[ColdHeart]

Personally from 188 I'd go straight to Enchanted Velium bits.
LDoN armour is another option.

EVB is fair easy to farm, I did it in CC, other people have done other places. But if you LDoN a lot, ask for the temper drops and make the armour. It <can> sell in bazaar but not commonly enough I felt to realy on moving it.

[Auricula]

I don't want to kill the twilight sea elementals as I port there all the time and don't want to be KOS.

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Hmmm ... I have spent a decent amount of time killing elementals in TS, and they do not aggro me (as in KoS). I don't believe the faction hit matters if they are green to you .. at least as far as the elementals on the island that you port in to.

The Shades, however, HATE me. Tried to get to them to farm various substances, and get aggroed by greenies by the dozens (all at one time .. ouch!)

[Cavel]

Been away from this thread for a bit

Marteeny...

We have 2 Sumbling blocks in our cultural. No other Cultural uses a rare for the sub-combines as illustrated here:
Human subcombines -> Water (Store Bought)
Dark Elf Subcombine -> Neriak Nectar (Store Bought)
Iksar Subcombine -> Bloodwater (Store Bought)
Barbarian Subcombine -> Water (Store Bought)
Ogre Subcombine -> Ogre Swill (Store Bought
High Elf Subcombine -> Morning Dew (NOT STORE BOUGHT)

Now of the Above cultures that Smith armor only 2 are not able to get into the 200's with the ORIGINAL cultural armors, those are Iksar and Barbarian. This is why I feel that the Morning Dew portion of the HIE completely unacceptable. I will put it to you all in terms of plat based on what I have seen in the Bazaar...

Morning Dew in the Bazaar is going for aroun 25pp Per on Tunare (Sometimes as high as 50pp)... SOOOO every 1 sheet item enchanted item of Old world Cultural is costing me 180pp + cost of mold... This price assumes that I have farmed the Swirling mist, essence of moonlight, Spiderling silks, and pelts for myself.

Now as contrast again only farming Padding and 2 out of the 3 parts needed to make the armor we look at Dark elves (I use them because our armors trivial at the same levels). IF you are REALLY ugly Neriak Nectar cost 6silver... that is right 6 SILVER... So a 1 sheet item costs the average Dark elf 83 gold + mold cost... Now I know that Pre-LoY Elf blood was hard to come by and I also know that Essence of Shadow is a pain to farm as well but it is possible to get ALL THREE portions of the temper as a Dark Elf.

All I am saying is let us bring the cultural armors in line... I spend DAYS on end in Mistmoore Farming greens to get Moonlight and also Days on TS Elemental Island to get the Swirling mist only to have to spend 100pp in the bazaar to attempt a 1 sheet combine?

OK this kinda turned into a rant and I am sorry about that, however I felt the need to defend my stance here about the requested change to the subcombines. I am not asking for the Moon, just to be brought in line with the other races.

[Candiil]

Aggro

Originally posted by Auricula
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Hmmm ... I have spent a decent amount of time killing elementals in TS, and they do not aggro me (as in KoS). I don't believe the faction hit matters if they are green to you .. at least as far as the elementals on the island that you port in to.

If you whack enough of them, your faction will eventually cause them to KoS. I'm level 65 and after dropping to threatening they started attacking automatically (which is a good thing, makes them easier to pull!)

[Iannyen]

I did HIE cultural to about 190when LDoN came out, and then the velium bits to 222, and loved it. I sold all the stuff I made for a proffit in the bazaar. Try that with any other skillup route Check in the local Bazaar, and find someone selling lots of forraged goods. I have a contact that I buy from in Bulk. I buy 100-200 morning dews at a time from this person, as they specialize in high quantity forraged sales. I pay 15pp per dew, and it takes me no time at all. Moonlight is readily available, and Swirling Mist is actually the holdup for me.

Of course, I am an enchanter, so I do my own mithril, and a lovely HIE cleric in my guild lovingly imbues all the emeralds I need (especially since she started seeing Blessed Full Mithril armor start appearing in her trade window)

[Cavel]

But I say again 15pp as compaired to 6 SILVER... I have gotten good deals on Morning dew as well... down to 1pp per dew but that is not the point. HIE's SHOULD NOT have to bargin and deal to get all 3 portions of our temper.

Only one other Temper has all 3 componants as dropped items, Royal Temper. Human Qeynos temper... AND humans have 2 Vialble skill up routes to 250, Heraldic and Seafairer/Field Plate. All of the Human smiths I know use the Freeport Cultural to get to 242+ then use the Heraldic to sell.

It is annoying that HIE are the only race that cannot use a cultural combine to assist with Skill ups. Heck I would even GLADLY use Morning dew to make my tempers IF I did not have to use it on every danged subcombine Bricks -> Blocks ->sheet and Brick -> Rings -> Jointing.

[eniamn]

Re: Been away from this thread for a bit

Originally posted by Cavel
Marteeny...

We have 2 Sumbling blocks in our cultural. No other Cultural uses a rare for the sub-combines as illustrated here:
Human subcombines -> Water (Store Bought)
Dark Elf Subcombine -> Neriak Nectar (Store Bought)
Iksar Subcombine -> Bloodwater (Store Bought)
Barbarian Subcombine -> Water (Store Bought)
Ogre Subcombine -> Ogre Swill (Store Bought
High Elf Subcombine -> Morning Dew (NOT STORE BOUGHT)

yeah hie smiths hurt but you are blatantly unfair in the above comparison. griffene feathers and rain water for qeynos human is a pain. the drop rates on swirling shadows are decent. i have just been playing an alt in shadeweavers and got part of a stack in lv 7-9. that is when going mainly after hoppers. again morning dew and pop tempers shouldn't be used for each step and instead just the final combine but still that comparison is a bit exaggerated.

[Cavel]

Eniamn you forget that humans have 2 possible Skill up paths... Yeah the Qeynos tempers suck but the Freeport ones are a breeze if you are over 55, and do not mind fishing... My point is STILL that cultural should be a viable skill up path for all races not just a select few.

There are currently NO other races that use a drop piece for the subcombines... That is my point.

[Taushar]

Re: Re: Swirling mist?

Originally posted by Gnarl
[B]Farm the Shades on the Shade island for Swirlies... my apologies if this was answered later, I'm jumping in late and haven't gotten to the end yet. Back on track: Elementals don't drop Swirling Shadows, the Shades do. Elementals do drop the Essence of Wind (unfortunate name that) for Acrylia temper. I too am dreading being KoS to these guys for the same reason, so am unsure how to collect the EoW.

I belived he was referring to Swirling Mist not Swirling Shadow. While Swirling Shadows drop from Shades on the other island, the Swirling Mists do indeed drop from Air Elementals on the main island. As many has posted, the middle of the main island is where you get ported in to so it's a pain to be KOS to them. One thing to remember is that Air Elementals are invisible on that island. If you want to hunt them, you need see invis on to see them.

I don't hunt there for that reason, faction. I usually get to Najena or the Hole for those. I was told, haven't verified it myself, that some mobs on the island will give faction hits and some won't. I heard that named will definitely give faction hits while other do not. I haven't verified this one way or another so take it as whatever it's worth.

Taushar

[Quillium]

Cavel said:
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Marteeny...

We have 2 Sumbling blocks in our cultural. No other Cultural uses a rare for the sub-combines as illustrated here:
Human subcombines -> Water (Store Bought)
Dark Elf Subcombine -> Neriak Nectar (Store Bought)
Iksar Subcombine -> Bloodwater (Store Bought)
Barbarian Subcombine -> Water (Store Bought)
Ogre Subcombine -> Ogre Swill (Store Bought
High Elf Subcombine -> Morning Dew (NOT STORE BOUGHT)
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You leave one thing out.. HIE Cultural can actually sell. That, above all else makes it fashionable for people to do, regardless of the stumbling blocks in the recipes.

Speaking from a Human Cultural perspective, the fact that there are no rare components in manipulating the metal we use, does not make it in any way feasible to do as a skillup process. The two tempers we use along with the imbued gems prohibit that via time and cost. The two tempers are Royal and Sea. Sea Temper is the lesser of the two and requires both a drop from mobs in OOT(mug of sea foam) and for you to fish an item in OOT(Saltwater Seaweed). Royal Temper requires Essences of Sunlight(off disspelling Chromos in Skyfire /joy), Griffenne Blood from JPF/EK, and Rain Water off Gnolls in Highpass. Furthermore, assuming you went to all the trouble of accumulating the materials, the metal, and ran the combines... your sell back price to vendor is only half the cost of what you paid for JUST the metal. Oh yeah, and to top it all off.. the final items you get have 0 resell value in the bazaar. Time, and ever marching expansions, have been very harsh to Human Cultural. Only when you get to 250 trivial items do you enter a realm where people MIGHT consider twinking an alt with your stuff. I can count on one hand the times i've ever run a cultural combine, and certainly not to level off of.

Personally, make every subcombine for a metal have a rare component in Human Cultural. If I can sell it, I say bring it on! :>

-Quillium Lifehammer
65 Warrior Fennin Ro

[Iannyen]

/nod

I didn't say that it was easy, but I've managed to turn a proffit from skilling up, rather than vendor dump everything I make. Which, to me, is what tradeskilling should be.

~( note that I did vendor dump ornate chain and fine steel, and the LDoN armor, and velium bits... so okay, I vendor dumped 117-188, 195ish - 202, and 210 to 222, but I did make arrowheads to 116, which I use for fletching, and the HIE does sell, and sells well at reasonable prices. While humans do have alot more "options" to their skillup route to 242, so does everyone else. But look at the number of Humal Cultural Smiths compared to the HIE cultural smiths.... I'm proud to be one of very few on my server.)

[Quillium]

Iannyen said:
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/nod

I didn't say that it was easy, but I've managed to turn a proffit from skilling up, rather than vendor dump everything I make. Which, to me, is what tradeskilling should be.

~( note that I did vendor dump ornate chain and fine steel, and the LDoN armor, and velium bits... so okay, I vendor dumped 117-188, 195ish - 202, and 210 to 222, but I did make arrowheads to 116, which I use for fletching, and the HIE does sell, and sells well at reasonable prices. While humans do have alot more "options" to their skillup route to 242, so does everyone else. But look at the number of Humal Cultural Smiths compared to the HIE cultural smiths.... I'm proud to be one of very few on my server.)
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I was always under the impression that there were many more HIE smiths than Human Smiths. If there are more Human than HIE smiths, its because they used the traditional skillup routes to get there. Human Cultural is simply out of the question for most people as a skillup route because it can't be sold until very high levels, has little sellback value to vendor, and too many components are farmed. I wouldn't be able to give something like Field Plate away. Heck, I wouldn't even put it on my own twinks. Check out these bad boys:

Field Plate Visor: AC 6
Field Plate Breastplate: AC 24

Those are the full stats san weight. That's right, no HP, no stats... just a nice pure AC item for your twink. And really, its not that much more AC than wearing Fine Plate. I laugh at people who try to sell that in the bazaar and most humans are realistic enough to not even try.

-Quillium Lifehammer
65 Human Warrior Fennin Ro