Human Cultural

[Samoht]

Is this based on your starting city?

I am a human ranger based in Surefall. Wasnt sure if I HAVE to use Qeynos or can use Freeport forge also.

[Perseverence Rewarded]

As a human you can use either cultural forge.
Aren't we humans lucky?

[EnfinitiStarr8]

As a human you can use either cultural forge.
Aren't we humans lucky?

Quite, I can hear ALL the other races now beating there war drums just because of that face....

[TheRealDuuece]

re Beating the drums can wait..

Before they start beating thier drums they can go wait for 70 mins in So Ro for a Sand giant to spawn which MOST LIKELY WILL NOT have essence of sunlight.

Or try to convince people that killing chromodracs for 4 hours to get 3 Essence of Sunlight is worth it (there are only so many clerics 45+ that still need epic)

How about fishing for 5-6 hours so you can have a shot a 1-2 skill ups (with another 2-3kpp worth of materials) or making a bunch is useless armor that no one will buy even if I sell at cost just to get skill ups.

Trust me there is not a smithing moment that goes by that I do not wish to god that my cleric was a dwarf or elf. They do not have roads paved of golden bricks but its is allot easier than humans.

[ArrakeenNaedShoj]

Trust me there is not a smithing moment that goes by that I do not wish to god that my cleric was a dwarf or elf. They do not have roads paved of golden bricks but its is allot easier than humans.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You get the easiest to farm components, the cheapest imbue gem possible, the ability to skillup sans enchanter, no foraged item in your recipe without the ability to forage, and you think that dwarfs and elves have it easier?

If it weren't for the fact that I hate playing humans in RPG's I'd offer to trade clerics with you.

The highend cultural for humans is easily as hard if not harder than most others because of Sunlight. But the old style freeport cultural is the easiest of all the racial armors to skillup on. Heck, if you farm your HQ ore/fine steel, and watch what you pay for sea foam, you can break even selling your final product to a vendor. While that certainly slows down the process, you are the only race that even gets the option.

[Tenasi]

cheapest imbue?

Humans have black sapphire & diamond imbues...you call that 'cheapest'?

All the races are different...all the races have some bottleneck at some point. Less h8, more <3.

Thx. :P

[Perseverence Rewarded]

[quote="ArrakeenNaedShoj"]

Heck, if you farm your HQ ore/fine steel, and watch what you pay for sea foam, you can break even selling your final product to a vendor.

"Break even"? Hell no! I made 65pp off each field plate helm sold to a merchant. 29 helms out of 30 attempts.
Farmed FS weapons in RM, spiderling silk in Feerrott, LQ rockhopper hides in MS and rusty weapons in newbie zones. Killed seafury cyclopses and fished while medding in OoT.
You only need to buy sharpening stones, plate molds, water, grapes and bottles for fish wine.
Costs less than 13pp per helm and sells for 77pp. 4 days of work off and on netted a couple thousand plat (not including plat dropped by hill giants and cyclopses) and 3 skill-ups. :shock:

[kiztent]

Re: cheapest imbue?

Humans have black sapphire & diamond imbues...you call that 'cheapest'?

Nope, but I call star rose quartz the cheapest. If you are skilling up the fact that expensive combines EXIST isn't as important as what the CHEAPEST combine is.

Like, say, dark elves. They can use imbued sapphires, or if that's too expensive, imbued sapphrie is a an option. You can use imbued sapphires too.

Dwarves can use imbued rubies. That's it (except for the post 250 stuff).

[ArrakeenNaedShoj]

"Break even"? Hell no! I made 65pp off each field plate helm sold to a merchant. 29 helms out of 30 attempts.

Sorry, I had heard that you could make money doing it that way. But since I don't play a human and couldn't conclusively say that you could profit off of farming/vendoring I wasn't going to claim that you could. My point still stands though.

Nope, but I call star rose quartz the cheapest. If you are skilling up the fact that expensive combines EXIST isn't as important as what the CHEAPEST combine is.

Exactly what I was reffering to.

I wasn't trying to say that Humans had the whole thing super easy, They still have to farm for seamingly endless combines. I was just implying that they had it easier overall as clerics, when compaired to Dwarfs and Highelves. If I had known then what I know now, I would have made my smith human.

[OberonMiM]

essence of sunlight is VERY common on vendors on Rallos.

Infact if im farming vendors for essence of shadow or elven blood i see more stuff like essence of moonlight, sunlight, mug of sea foam, than i do the stuff i need

[Railina]

"Break even"? Hell no! I made 65pp off each field plate helm sold to a merchant. 29 helms out of 30 attempts.
Farmed FS weapons in RM, spiderling silk in Feerrott, LQ rockhopper hides in MS and rusty weapons in newbie zones. Killed seafury cyclopses and fished while medding in OoT.

You didn't make 65pp off each sell back.
You made 77pp per helm on sellback
- sell back on the FS weapons you melted down
- sellback to merchants (or better yet, in bazaar) of paddings
- sellback of seafoam which you brewed into tempers
- sellback of fish which you brewed into fish wine
- sellback of rusty (or tarnished) weapons
- cost of helm mold (10.5pp)
- cost of star rose quartz
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Total: 12.725pp per success, assuming merchant sellback on all materials you don't have to buy. you could sell the leather paddings you used up for more than that in the bazaar, not to mention the tempers, cost of fails on subcombines, and anything you may have paid to get your gems imbued.

helms require:
2 blocks = 9 fine steel weapons at ~5pp each (plus failures)
1 ring = 3/2 tarnished weapons at ~0.15pp each (plus failures)
1 temper = 2 sea foam, 1 fish wine, one seaweed at ~7pp (plus failures)
1 leather padding = 1 LQ pelt + 1 silk/shadeling thread at ~0.5pp (or 20-30pp in the bazaar)
1 gem = plains pebble at 0pp + imbue cost OR ~1.05pp + imbue cost
1 plate helm mold at 10.5pp
Total: (assuming all subcombines succeed, imbuing is free, star rose quartz is gem used, and using vendor buyback on sea foam and leather padding rather than bazaar price)
64.275pp

You get the easiest to farm components, the cheapest imbue gem possible, the ability to skillup sans enchanter, no foraged item in your recipe without the ability to forage, and you think that dwarfs and elves have it easier?

I would like to take a moment aside to laugh in the face of anyone who thinks seafury island is easier to farm than elemental island in Twilight Sea. Don't forget drops of mercury can be player made now.
Dwarves have both enchanted-unimbued and imbued-unenchanted plate recipes. Highelves will continue to get the shaft until the recipes are changed to use elven wine (just as every other race uses alcohol in their tempers except Iksar, who use water).

Heck, if you farm your HQ ore/fine steel, and watch what you pay for sea foam, you can break even selling your final product to a vendor. While that certainly slows down the process, you are the only race that even gets the option.

Is there anyone who understands the term "opportunity cost"?
If you farm HQ ore, the only money you make is the difference between what it sells back to a merchant for and what it costs to buy from a merchant. The fact that you didn't pay for the ore does not make it valueless.

Nope, but I call star rose quartz the cheapest. If you are skilling up the fact that expensive combines EXIST isn't as important as what the CHEAPEST combine is.

Like, say, dark elves. They can use imbued sapphires, or if that's too expensive, imbued sapphrie is a an option. You can use imbued sapphires too.

True, dark elves don't have an imbued unenchanted option like dwarved, and the enchanted unimbued has a lower trivial. This is because Enchanted imbued Adamantite is equivalent to Enchanted Gold or Platinum Fluu Plate in terms of cost to make, and superior in terms of ease and utility.

Infact if im farming vendors for essence of shadow or elven blood i see more stuff like essence of moonlight, sunlight, mug of sea foam, than i do the stuff i need

That is a problem common on all servers. It's partly Murphy's Law and partly the fact that the stuff you don't need is still there the next time you come around, because you didn't buy it last time either.

[Railina]

Is this based on your starting city?

No. it's based on your race. This question was mentioned in the old FAQ (located here)

And also in The Dead Horse List: Smithing




note to Cantalus, please put this one back ito the Smithing FAQ

[Meirril]

High Elf cultural smithing is very...interesting. Instead of using water you use a farmed component for the old cultural. For the new cultural, you only use 1 or 2 morning dew for each combine (depending on if your doing chain or plate. Plate requires 1 peice made with the bad ol' cultural recipees). However, for the old combines, which have VERY good trivials for raising skill to 250, the bare minimum combine to take you into the 200s requires 5 forage or rare-dropped morning dew! In an hour of foraging and hunting brownies I've gotten an average of 5 morning dew. That means spending an hour in Lfey earning next to no xp per combine. In a certain way, getting morning dew is easier than getting essence of sunlight but I don't think its a popular method for elves to skill up to 240.

[Perseverence Rewarded]

"Break even"? Hell no! I made 65pp off each field plate helm sold to a merchant. 29 helms out of 30 attempts.
Farmed FS weapons in RM, spiderling silk in Feerrott, LQ rockhopper hides in MS and rusty weapons in newbie zones. Killed seafury cyclopses and fished while medding in OoT.

You didn't make 65pp off each sell back.
You made 77pp per helm on sellback
- sell back on the FS weapons you melted down
- sellback to merchants (or better yet, in bazaar) of paddings
- sellback of seafoam which you brewed into tempers
- sellback of fish which you brewed into fish wine
- sellback of rusty (or tarnished) weapons
- cost of helm mold (10.5pp)
- cost of star rose quartz
----------------------------------------------------
Total: 12.725pp per success, assuming merchant sellback on all materials you don't have to buy. you could sell the leather paddings you used up for more than that in the bazaar, not to mention the tempers, cost of fails on subcombines, and anything you may have paid to get your gems imbued.

helms require:
2 blocks = 9 fine steel weapons at ~5pp each (plus failures)
1 ring = 3/2 tarnished weapons at ~0.15pp each (plus failures)
1 temper = 2 sea foam, 1 fish wine, one seaweed at ~7pp (plus failures)
1 leather padding = 1 LQ pelt + 1 silk/shadeling thread at ~0.5pp (or 20-30pp in the bazaar)
1 gem = plains pebble at 0pp + imbue cost OR ~1.05pp + imbue cost
1 plate helm mold at 10.5pp
Total: (assuming all subcombines succeed, imbuing is free, star rose quartz is gem used, and using vendor buyback on sea foam and leather padding rather than bazaar price)
64.275pp

Apparently you are misunderstanding what I wrote.
I made 65pp "profit" from selling my helms to a vendor at 77pp each.
I did not make imbued field plate btw so no gems used.
All items not vendor bought are considered no cost items as they were farmed/fished. Value of items farmed is irrelevant if it's not an out of pocket expense.
I sold to a vendor rather than sit on my duff in the bazaar hoping someone would buy the helms. I'd rather not waste my play time that way. It's easier/faster and more satisfying to just run around farming more items. Probably more profitable too as I dont think many would buy plain helms.

On another note I love to twink newbies with free shadowscream armor. Why try to sell an item that's not worth much in bazaar and vendors dont pay squat for. Bread on the waters is how I see it.
I also love how people go gah-gah when I hand them free stuff unsolicited. :shock:

[sumamael]

As it has been stated, humans can use both human cultural forges.

Yes, this is covered at several places, including the recipe page on the main site /gasp.

With that said, I'm going to lock this topic since there is nothing constructive coming from this "your cultural tradeskill is easier than mine" debate.