Ethics and Concideration.. a Dwarf smith seeks advice

[Skinni Stonefinger]

Just my observations....

I am a dwarven smith and my skill recently hit 239. I can easily make the Underfoot and Brellium BD armor and have sold quite a bit of it so far.

When i was at about 180 skill or so, i made the enchanted dwarven stuff, thats the brellium blocks without the imbued rubies.

I would sell the BP for 1500pp and the rest a little less. I sold a bunch of this armor at that price and made prolly 200k while I went to about 210 in skill.

During that time, pieces of the enchanted dwarven became trivial to me. I stopped making them at that point. At 215 the BP became trivial. At that point, I had dropped my price to 950pp, because of my increased success rates and was still selling a bucnh of them.

Now, because they were trivial, I stopped sellign them and started making the Imbued Enchanted dwarven plate in stead. I made tons of bracers, collars and boots, cause they only needed one sheet and weren't trivial. I would make a few of the other pieces to sell and was selling the BP at 1500pp.

I noticed that since I had stopped selling the enchanted dwarven BP and other armor, that other people had started increasing the price. Just the other day, I saw a BP for 3000pp. I get asked all the time if I will make it, and I say no, its trivial, I would rather spend my hard earned tempers on BD cultural, or the imbued enchanted dwarven that isn't trivial to me at this point.

My point is that you should make whats good for skillups, and sell them at a price that you need to get rid of them, it may ruin the market for a little while, but once they go trivial, you wont be making them anymore, and others can raise the price back up.

Now that I do make the BD cultural, and since there are only two smiths on the server making it, I have talked to the other smith and we set the price on it together. We agree when its time to lower the price, like when BDs started dropping in price.

I hope that helps you and above all, have fun!

[Aandaie]

Re: Ethics and Concideration.. a Dwarf smith seeks advice

Just a question
... I am catching flack from other smiths in the bazaar for having so many BP's on sale, I am hardly wanting to ruin everyones chances to make a sale is there another way to break 200 from 190 as a dwarf, w/o trying the acrilia route, windstones are too rare for the tempers, and Imbuing Rubies just adds to the cost per attempt, Ive been killing elementals anywhere I can find them, and Iron oxide if far more common and has done wonders for paying for my smithing to this point. I just want everyone to have fun... any ideas?

Yeah, this is what I'd say when you catch "flack."

"thank you for your concern. However, I tend to mind my own business when it comes to what people sell items for in the bazaar or the quantity of said items."

That is telling them they should do the same, without actually saying so.
It is none of their dang business, anymore than it would be if someone called you on the phone about the house or car you were selling and said "hey, I want to sell my SUV too but your's is priced too low!"

They should be of no concern to you, nor you to to them. That is the entire point of the bazaar, a free market. If they continue to pester you, keep selling in that volume but drop your price to 300 plat or so per BP

[Glatius2]

However, I tend to mind my own business when it comes to what people sell items for in the bazaar or the quantity of said items.

Certainly harassing someone because they don't agree to your pricing beliefs is out of line. If someone wants to come into the bazaar and price their wares 100pp or 200pp below the price I have my identical items selling for, there really isn't much I can say or do except drop the price of my wares 500pp to make sure they don't get those sales. Then they can drop their's a few hundred more pp, rinse and repeat until we are both selling our items for less than it cost us to do the combine, so we're effectively losing money on the deal.

If you have unlimited funds or don't care whether you do your skill ups slower rather than faster, well then there isn't much anyone can say or do. But don't be surprised if it turns out that the one or more of the other smiths has close to unlimited funds too or has such a significantly better skill up success they can afford to sell the items for less and still finance their combines.

It doesn't have to be an you against them situation. Nor does it have to be a trader skiller against customer situation. There is no reason why tradeskillers can't find a reasonable price at which to price their wares and only adjust those prices in response to the droppable market. The only time it becomes a problem is when either you have trade skillers trying to keep the prices unrealistically and unreasonably high to generate excessive profits or you have trade skillers trying to keep their prices just low enough compared to the other trade skillers to make sure they get the sale over the other guy in all circumstances.

How many people really price their wares because they feel a morale obligation to offer their customers the lowest possible price? There may be a few, but they're certainly not the majority.