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**Kaidian Blade** · 01-30-2003, 09:41 AM

Ouch. I'll assume you were using at least a Geerlok. What was your INT, WIS or STR?

**Aethn** · 01-30-2003, 10:01 AM

Using my shaman

On my Shaman, 355 Wis, 305 STR/DX/STA/AGI, skill 243. I have a 15% MOD but dont use it, I want to cap out at 250 skill unmodified.

I had 140 Wailing substances on a mule from a long time ago and wanted to clear the bank space.

So far my total cost from skill 0-243 = 2.6 million plat.

Oh and no I am not a new smith, my character is nearly 4 years old now , March 16, 1999. I was skill 175 in 1999 when banded was the armor to use. I kick myself every day I log on for not capping my skill on Fine Steel Plate prenerf and not exploiting the error in Etheral Blocks to get 250. Next sploit that comes along im using it, even if it gets me banned. At least ill leave the game a 250 smith.

**Eleena Transient** · 01-30-2003, 10:08 AM

118 is rough... my personal worst I was 175 I believe.

Keep going, it'll eventually go up

**ArrakeenNaedShoj** · 01-30-2003, 10:10 AM

Currently at over 300 non-trivial combines over the last 8 months or so with no skillups at skill 193. 118 is a pain. I hope it doesn't get any worse for you.

**kiztent** · 01-30-2003, 10:38 AM

If I ever wondered why I put up my smithing hammer until the people responsible for smithing stop staring at the insides of their colons, posts like this would remind me. Sorry the hear that.

**Dvinn** · 01-30-2003, 11:26 AM

The rant is well justified, but it's not the skill-up route, it's the random number generator. It's broken, I know it's broken, you can call me a fool, but I don't care what you say, it's broken. I've seen too many patterns, not enough randomness.

Like, my ranger logs in, wants to know which way he's going and promptly fails at sense heading 3 times in a row (maxed skill). That ain't randomness folks, that's a pattern.

It's also the reason why I camp every 10 combines. Don't think I ever went more than 50 combines without a skill-up since.

**Kleric** · 01-30-2003, 01:09 PM

done now 286 addepts /19 skill ups

str 185
wis 280
int 187
no modifier by smithing.

289:19= 15,3 addepts per skill up.

**Tamajin** · 01-30-2003, 04:48 PM

Personally I have noticed days where the RNG just does NOT want to play. I have had days where I have done 60-80 Shadowscream combines with no skill up. I've gotten to the stage now that if I don't get a skillup after 20 attempts I give up till the next day. And sure enough the next day I will get that skillup in my 20 attempts. This may be another EQ superstition .. but it works for me.

**Bennan** · 01-30-2003, 06:43 PM

I've seen too many patterns, not enough randomness

I also have experienced this, and hold this belief...

I've gotten to the stage now that if I don't get a skillup after 20 attempts I give up till the next day.

Exactly the same here as well.

There is a discipline involved in testing software, and a awareness and understanding of the User Base that a "tester" must have. Verant have not, based on the last 3 odd years of this product, shown any great evidence of this taking place.

Hence, what I stated and the comments that I have quoted above, ring so true to me.

It takes a gazillion hours (slight exaggeration) to get together 100+ skill up attempts, its extremly hard but sometimes you need to just stop. And restart the next day.

Good luck in your future attempts.

**rassy fleetfoot** · 01-30-2003, 07:06 PM

most ive ever done between points was about 100 shadowscream combines, that was skill 202 trying to get 203.

I realize its different for everyone but i do 20-30 combines at a time usually, so if i have to do some absurd number of combines its split over several days. but then, i look at the last batch of 20 or so i did, but after 3 bracers, i hit 207, after 6 more i hit 208 and after 12 more i hit 209...sometimes the RNG is nice, most time its very very mean.

throw some different combines in there in addition to shadowscream..seems to throw the RNG off a little. or zone after 10 or 15 without progress

**Zopharr** · 01-31-2003, 07:55 PM

My worst was a hell level of 240 or so . That was with 255 Wis/210-225 Str. (Also before they adjusted smithing to make skill-ups easier.) Most seem to have had one or more hell-levels.

Hell levels are a pain, but I'd imagine with the RNG there are still glitches like this even with the changes in skill-up chances.

**Anduran the Artisan** · 02-02-2003, 10:50 AM

I know the random number generator is VERY frustrating at times, and sometimes, does seem streaky, yes. But logically speaking... true randomness is at times streaky. Lets say the chance of a skillup is 1 in 30. What are the EXACT chance of not skilling up in 100 combines, well... lets see:

Chance of not skilling up = 29/30 = 0.96666-
Amount of combines = 100

(0.96666)X^Y100 = ~ 3.37 %

As for failing sense heading 3 times in a row, lets have a look.

Chance of Sense heading working from my experiences is about 1 in 20.

Chance of failure = 0.05
Amount of failures = 3
(0.05)X^Y3 = ~ 0.01 % of a chance that this will occur.

Chances seem remote, but how many people play this game and hit thier sense heading key? Someone will inevitably be the odd man and fail over and over at some point.

The same way people can get 4 skill ups back to back, it seems unthinkable, but it does happen. Assume the same 1 in 30 skillup

Chance for a skillup = 1/30 = 0.033333-
Amount of back to back skill ups = 4
(0.033333)X^Y4 = ~ 0.00001 % of a chance.

Seems impossible, heh, then again, you dont hear of it much, and also keep in mind that people who have what would be considered normal posts wont come and post, "hey wow look how uber normal and linear my results and progression were" it just doens't happen. People will post for 2 reasons, abnormally fast progression, and abnormally slow progression, and generally, it's the latter as they are unhappy and want to vent.

As for you Aethn - *wow* 2.6 million pp on smithing... thats a lot of money, i'd be pissed too, i spent 650K on fletching when i maxed it post nerf with bows, lol, boy did my guild hear about it that night while I was skilling up, daaaaaamn am i glad i did smithing with fine plate =(

Happy Clicks

-Anduran

**Pojodan** · 02-02-2003, 12:35 PM

My method, personally, is to set a favorite drink on the other side of the house (Soda, beer, wine, cod liver oil) and then sit down to tradeskill. There's a lot of gimicks and superstitions behind how to trick the RNG, but my basic method is to just start combining once I'm all set up (After tripple checking to make sure I have all my tradeskill gear on, gotta switch out CHA gear to get the best prices) then I just start combining. If I do 20 combines and nothing happens I get up, walk to my favorite drink and have a swig, ponder life for a moment then come back. There seems to be a repeating pattern within a repeating pattern (By that I mean there's about a 5 minute block of time that has a pattern to it that is placed in about an hour pattern such that there are points of time when you can combine stuff for 10 minutes and get from 0 to 5 skill ups then get really **** lucky and get 5 skill ups in 10 combines)

IMHO tradeskilling should be # of attempts based as in, you make 10 peices of armor, you get a skill-up, each time, every time.

**Zuggzug Bashembloody** · 02-02-2003, 01:38 PM

Re: Using my shaman

I had 140 Wailing substances on a mule from a long time ago and wanted to clear the bank space.

Where is a good spot to get wailing substances?

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