old cultural question

[Lixivia]

I do not know if this had been talked about, but is there any chance that the level requirement for old cultural to be lowered? it is 45, but the Energeaic Buried sea Newb armor, with a lower level requirement, is much better. If the level requirement for old cultural was around or lower to the level on Energeiac, i still believe some parts of it would be used.

is there any possibility of that happening?

[caster66]

No chance...

The DoN cultural is really all thats used anymore. the true Old cultural (i.e. Blue Diamond Cultural) is used for skill ups only.

That said the DoN cultural is not likely to have its level req changed anytime ever. If you actually stop and compare the stats of energeiac to DoN cultural the cultural is always better. The only advantage to the Energeaic is the effects that 4 of the pieces have. So take that 45 tier armor that you mentioned. The stats on that without powersource is in the neighborhood of +4 to all stats.

Lets compare:
Ornate Khala Dun Armband
MAGIC ITEM ATTUNEABLE
Slot: WRIST
AC: 12
STR: +2 STA: +2 WIS: +2 INT: +2 AGI: +2 HP: +10
MANA: +10 Endurance: +10
SV FIRE: +1 SV DISEASE: +1 SV COLD: +1 SV MAGIC: +1
SV POISON: +1
Recommended level of 40
Required level of 35
WT: 1.5 Size: MEDIUM
Class: WAR BRD
Race: VAH
Slot type 7:empty
Slot type 11:empty
Slot type 12:empty

Tempered Energeiac Plate Bracer
MAGIC ITEM ATTUNEABLE INFUSIBLE
Slot: WRIST
Purity: 30
AC: 14
STR: +4 DEX: +4 STA: +4 CHA: +4 WIS: +4 INT: +4
AGI: +4 HP: +60 MANA: +60 Endurance: +60
SV FIRE: +3 SV DISEASE: +3 SV COLD: +3 SV MAGIC: +3
SV POISON: +3
Recommended level of 50
Required level of 45
WT: 3.4 Size: MEDIUM
Class: WAR CLR PAL SHD BRD
Race: ALL
Slot type 7:empty

Intricate Khala Dun Armband
MAGIC ITEM ATTUNEABLE
Slot: WRIST
AC: 17
STR: +3 STA: +3 WIS: +2 INT: +2 AGI: +2 HP: +20
MANA: +20 Endurance: +20
SV FIRE: +2 SV DISEASE: +2 SV COLD: +2 SV MAGIC: +2
SV POISON: +2
Recommended level of 60
Required level of 55
WT: 1.5 Size: MEDIUM
Class: WAR BRD
Race: VAH
Slot type 7:empty
Slot type 11:empty
Slot type 12:empty

Now of course the cultural pieces listed here do not have their augs installed and that makes a HUGE difference. If a person really wanted to spend plat on it they could change armors every few levels for that couple AC increase but since you would take a hit on the rest of your stats there is no point. I make a lot of gear for people. The only time I recommend going with the Energeiac gear is when their stats are really good already and they could use the focus effects. Otherwise the cultural ALWAYS has better stats and is superior gear with the only exception being the AC. This gets a little fuzzy with the top end Energeiac gear that you can only get from vendors in TBS. As far as player made is concerned the cultural is supreme.

[Aldier]

You cannot compare just the base armor on DoN cultural without the symbol aug just as you have to consider powersources and purity when dealing with energeaic armor.

I think the reason the old cultural stuff was capped at 45 was for similar reasons that the Kunark armor was set at 45. At the time, that was the level wanted for it. Items age out. How many people do you still see wearing Velious era items?

You can get much better items than those at lower levels.

With the new expansion coming and the potential increase on the scale of top end groupable gear going to 500hp/mana per item, more and more lower level items will become better than previous expansion items. It is the natural progression/inflation/mudflation that goes on in EQ.

[Lixivia]

i think my question was misunderstood, the reason i ask is because there is not a whole lot of options for "twink" gear. Finding decent gear for a twink under level 15 is hard, and finding gear for a twink under level 25 is still difficult. You basically have 3 choices to choose from as for buyable gear. 1) Simple DoN made armors that start at level 15, 2) Crude/Worked/Rough/Pressed energieac which starts at level 25, or 3) old school armor from the days before recommended levels.

if you dont think people would buy, say old cultural blessed artkeepers armor if the level requirement were lowered too somehting like level 30 you are wrong.

i am not compairing ornate + armor, i was only compairing it with lower level gear, and i'm not complaining. i just thought it may help as another option, and wondering if it were a possibility, or if its just going to be left alone forever. that was all.

[Aldier]

The reason the recommended and required levels were put in were, I thought, to limit the "twink" loots. It is something you could /feedback in game but that sounds more like the itemization developers field instead of the tradeskillers.

If they are a "twink" then you will be leveling up fairly fast and be past those required/recommended levels soon and it won't matter.

You can also go and look at the quest armor available in those level ranges from TSS or when SoF comes out and see if there are any new things for the level range you are looking as additional alternatives.

[Lixivia]

yeah i can see that, thanks for the input =)

[Leonis]

The old BD cultural armor is actually made for 3 reasons.

1) Skillups. 335 trivial and most of the stuff is easy to get or vendersold.

2) Twinks. It's still decent armor for very low-level characters.

3) Tribute. It ALL tributes for quite a bit - I think the tribute values are identical for the "same stats" pieces, though the COST to make it varies some.

[Zopharr]

The old BD cultural armor is actually made for 3 reasons.
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3) Tribute. It ALL tributes for quite a bit - I think the tribute values are identical for the "same stats" pieces, though the COST to make it varies some.

Actually, different diety combos tribute at very, very different rates - some three or more times as much as other ones (example: Mischevious Brellium Bracers, tribute for over three and a half times as much as unimbued ones.)

Folks skilling up on these and planning to tribute should try various diety combos to see what gets them the most bang for the buck.

Garshok

[Chatoyan]

I outfitted my lowbie shammy with energeaic chain for one simple reason - availability. I've yet to see any vah shir cultural chain in the bazaar (7th hammer), and I refuse to do blacksmithing on a 3rd toon, so I had to look for other stuff. If I was trying to outfit, say, a low level wood elf ranger, it'd cultural all the way. Wirewood is so common people give practically give it away (or did, prior to the tribute value change).

[Leonis]

Vah Shir high level smiths are rare. Move to Povar, I'll be glad to outfit you.

9-)

[caster66]

Or Quellious

Vah Shir high level smiths are rare. Move to Povar, I'll be glad to outfit you.

9-)

Or move to Quellious I have a 75 bst with 282 smithing atm...