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  • gm armor fail rate increased?

    since pro of ro i have had about twice as many failures making gm dwarf stormguard armor including very trivial combines. is anyone else experiencing similar problems?
    thank you,
    cluric 336 dwarf smith of fenin ro

  • #2
    Unless you're talking a sample size of over 100 combines, you can blame this on a bad run of the RNG.

    Sometimes you have good luck, sometimes bad... that's just the way it is.
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    • #3
      is 336 modded bugged?

      thanks for your reply.

      i understand the RNG could be the cause of this. i know my sample is relatively small being less than 100 and that is why i posted. to see if any of my fellow 300 smiths have found fail rates elevated after moving from 315 modded to 336 modded using new trophy.
      i was hoping a developer might check to make sure that 336 was not somehow bugged.

      thanks for reading and have a nice day,
      cluric
      300 dwarf smith of fenin ro

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      • #4
        I completed the new Smithing tradeskill quest at 300 skill to get the new trophy and 336 modified skill. Then I succeeded 6 out of 7 attempts on DoN GM cultural items (including 3 bp / legs) and 6 out of 8 attempts on DoN GM augments. I also completed the new Tailoring tradeskill quest at 300 skill and have since succeeded 4 out of 6 attempts on DoN GM augments using Glossy Drake Hides.

        Not a large sample but it does suggest that 336 is not bugged for me.
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        • #5
          I think someone starts one of these threads almost every release and every patch. That should tell you something.
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          • #6
            Fail rates still bad....

            Hello again. been a few more weeks of attempts and i wanted to share my experience and see if anyone else has had a similar problem.
            Since PoR went live i have had
            10 attempts at 386 triv items and all were fails.
            4 attempts at 368 triv items and 50% were fails.
            most of my other GM stormguard attempts have had what i would call a "normal and reasonable" fail rate.

            i know this is a smallish sample but gee whiz.....

            i am unmodded 300 with salvage 3 and blacksmithing mastery 3. i am also equpping my master smith trophy in primary to bring my modded skill to 336...

            i have sent 3 petitions and gotten the "too bad, so sad" response each time and one even said that they can not confirm my results which surprised me because i thought that eq logs captured everything that happens in game.
            i submitted /bug reports and did a number of /feedback.

            i hope that others are not going through what i am going through.

            please post here if you are having similar difficulties..

            definately please post here if you have any advice for how i can fail less

            hugs and cu in Norrath,
            wonni
            Cluric 70 Cleric/300 dwarf smith of Fenin Ro

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            • #7
              Originally posted by wonnimeliga
              10 attempts at 386 triv items and all were fails.
              4 attempts at 368 triv items and 50% were fails.
              If you assume a 60% success rate(60 or 62 seems to be the accepted guess), then failing 10 in a row is about a 1 in 10000 shot. Is it rare that it would happen? Yeah, definitely. Is it a sign that something is wrong? /shrug Could be...or could be luck.

              As for the 368 items...if you had succeeded 1 more, you'd be doing good. /shrug

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              • #8
                Someone starts one of these threads after every patch.

                It's my theory that the RNG is feeling particularly nasty after a patch, so I usually wait a few days before doing any important combines, hehehe
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                • #9
                  I made GM wrist and helm, plus the 2 augments to go in them last week without a fail (4 for 4).

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by wonnimeliga
                    Hello again. been a few more weeks of attempts and i wanted to share my experience and see if anyone else has had a similar problem.
                    Since PoR went live i have had
                    10 attempts at 386 triv items and all were fails.
                    4 attempts at 368 triv items and 50% were fails.
                    most of my other GM stormguard attempts have had what i would call a "normal and reasonable" fail rate.

                    i know this is a smallish sample but gee whiz.....
                    I think you need to shut up while you are behind.

                    The evil RNG reads these boards and when it see quotes like it it says to itself "oh really? heh heh. I'll show them what bad luck really is!" *maniacal laughter fills the room"

                    Seriously though, it's just really really bad luck (like teh person who needed 19 combines to get his 5th Grimel earring). At some point you will have a batch like zac posted above me, but there will also be the bad runs like you have had. Just don't antagonaize the RNG or you will be sorry.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Kahmon
                      The evil RNG reads these boards and when it see quotes like it it says to itself "oh really? heh heh. I'll show them what bad luck really is!" *maniacal laughter fills the room"
                      If I were the RNG, I'd settle for a malign, wicked little chuckle here, and save the manaiacal laughter for when the poor victim comes back, crying in tears at the REAL bad luck.

                      But then, I'm an evil paladin. I tend to think evil thoughts a lot.
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                      • #12
                        Not been increased, just RNG having fun with us....


                        2 Breastplate failures, 1 Sleeve failure, 1 Wrist failure.... in last 3 days.

                        0 for 4....
                        Makes you want to tell everyone you're a 300 smith with 12% mod and mastery 3 don't it?

                        Not sure why they put the success caps on GM armor in the first place, and doubt I will ever know... Don't see any possible reason behind it.
                        If we got our skill to 300, we should have 300 skill... not 253.
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                        Mastery3 in all
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                        300 Smith(12% trophy)
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                        257 Brewer
                        252 Jeweler
                        250 Fletcher
                        222 Potter
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                        • #13
                          I failed 2 aaaa final combines in a row with triv of 252 and having a skill of 336 modified

                          2 days later i made bp. legs, arms tinkererd cultural plate and succeeded all 3

                          Just RNG acting up.

                          Although at times i do wonder if a connection ping has influence on skillup rates- seems i have a standard 50% higher skill-up amount of combines compared to US players (At the moment most notable with spell research where i average 30 combines a point at 250 ish skill- average according to calculator being 15 combines

                          Same from 242-253, i average around 20, going up to 25 and calculator says around 14 average.

                          I never investigated this for other tradesckills although i always had the feeling that skillups came harder than what i expected/calculators indicated

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                          • #14
                            I'm 2 for 2 on GM armor with 232 skill. Of course I've only made helm and wrist, and I do have blacksmithing mastery 3.
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                            • #15
                              Not sure if I should duck for cover after saying this since I think I know where your luck went ... but ....

                              In the last 5 days, I made the following with 300 unmodified skill, lvl 6 (12% trophy) and OOW3:

                              11 BP armor attempts (8 successes, 3 failures)
                              8 BP augments attemtps (8 successes)
                              3 Leg armor attempts (3 successes)
                              2 Leg augment attempts (1 success, 1 failure)
                              3 Helm armor attempts (3 successes)
                              2 Helm augment attempts (2 successes)
                              2 Boot armor attempts (2 successes)
                              1 Boot augment attempt (1 success)
                              2 Glove armor attempts (2 successes)
                              2 Glove augment attempts (1 success, 1 failure)
                              2 Sleeve armor attempts (2 successes)
                              2 Sleeve augment attempts (2 successes)
                              3 Wrist armor attempts (3 successes)
                              5 Wrist armor attempts (4 successes, 1 failure)

                              43 attempts over the weekend (after 2 months of no one wanting armor) - 37 successes and 6 failures.
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