Strength too high for GM ?

[eqblackrose]

I do alot of grandmaster smithing. I buy alot of scales and sell alot of armor. I started to notice that when I was totally raid buffed, I seemed to fail on my combines more than when I had no buffs at all.

I finally talked about it in guildchat after failing 2 BPs and 1 Leggings. My guildmate buddy said he observed the same thing. I finally have built up enough courage to post here. Has anyone else experienced having max stats may be hurting you on the superhard combines ... specifically grandmaster?

Specifically strength of 465 versus ... ~300 which I can get it down too with removal of some armor and buffs.

I hate to speculate without keeping good data ... maybe its just my imagination since failing a 3 MetallicDS BP is hard to swallow.

[Xulan]

I do alot of grandmaster smithing. I buy alot of scales and sell alot of armor. I started to notice that when I was totally raid buffed, I seemed to fail on my combines more than when I had no buffs at all.

I finally talked about it in guildchat after failing 2 BPs and 1 Leggings. My guildmate buddy said he observed the same thing. I finally have built up enough courage to post here. Has anyone else experienced having max stats may be hurting you on the superhard combines ... specifically grandmaster?

Specifically strength of 465 versus ... ~300 which I can get it down too with removal of some armor and buffs.

I hate to speculate without keeping good data ... maybe its just my imagination since failing a 3 MetallicDS BP is hard to swallow.

Strength is no where found in the success/fail formulas, and therefore has no bearing. Perception. It is very easy to see things that aren't there with EQ Tradeskills. I've had my fair share of false observations =)

[MedailMeadmezzer-eci]

stats have no viable projection on to the making/failing of any combine. Rather they determine the % chance to skill up off any givin sussful combine. bit of number chunces to support this

Skill: 300 Mod%: 5 Trivial: 386 Prime Stat: 300
Tradeskill: Smithing Tradeskill AA: no

Adjusted Skill = 315
Success chance = 77%
Chance of skill up on Success: 0%, on failure: 0%, overall 0%


Skill: 300 Mod%: 5 Trivial: 386 Prime Stat: 465
Tradeskill: Smithing Tradeskill AA: no

Adjusted Skill = 315
Success chance = 77%
Chance of skill up on Success: 0%, on failure: 0%, overall 0%


Skill: 300 Mod%: 5 Trivial: 386 Prime Stat: 1
Tradeskill: Smithing Tradeskill AA: no

Adjusted Skill = 315
Success chance = 77%
Chance of skill up on Success: 0%, on failure: 0%, overall 0%

Skill: 299 Mod%: 5 Trivial: 386 Prime Stat: 465
Tradeskill: Smithing Tradeskill AA: no

Adjusted Skill = 313
Success chance = 75%
Chance of skill up on Success: 2.58%, on failure: 2.58%, overall 2.58%

Skill: 299 Mod%: 5 Trivial: 386 Prime Stat: 465
Tradeskill: Smithing Tradeskill AA: no

Adjusted Skill = 313
Success chance = 75%
Chance of skill up on Success: 2.58%, on failure: 1.94%, overall 2.42%

Skill: 299 Mod%: 5 Trivial: 386 Prime Stat: 1
Tradeskill: Smithing Tradeskill AA: no

Adjusted Skill = 313
Success chance = 75%
Chance of skill up on Success: 0.01%, on failure: 0.01%, overall 0.01%

as you can see at the 300 level you gain nouthing from having any stat caped and could easly have 1 in that (max low any stat will go). at the 299 level you can see the rather painfull deviatioin for the chance to skill up from the 1 base stat to the 300, and again from the 300 to the 465.

my suggestion would be to obtain the 15% smithing hammer from XTC (right?) and possably the tradeskill aa's for smithing. though they dont help as much as the 15% item, they do help to a 11.5 % upped chance to make the item at lv 3 and 300 smithing

PS: used the sigh cala for all this --> http://www.eqtraders.com/calculators...r=130000000000

[Angelsyn]

Yup, as they said, Stats only matter for your chance to skill-up. Only skill matters for success rate... and GM items are success-chance capped anyway.

[Xodar]

I really think it's the RNG getting you.

Not that I am not superstitious, as I use WIS for all my tradeskills after some particularly bad fletching runs focusing on dex. These days its probably inconclusive as I am stat capped, but as a hybrid I can achieve far higher STR/DEX with Wunshi (450) then I can with WIS running trib(375 since we get no enlightenment).

The flip side happens too though. Last week I did a gm aug combine for a guildie, then 2 black acrylia halberd combines for friends alts. 3 successes, 3 skill ups, sadly the lottery ticket I bought afterwards was a loser.

[Abazagaroth]

"Perception. It is very easy to see things that aren't there with EQ Tradeskills."

Actually, people often do see things that are there, they just don't realize that what they are seeing is a consequence of the RNG rather than a consequence of fatalistic coding.

Correlations definitely can be there, just doesn't require causation =P

[Bamur]

and GM items are success-chance capped anyway.

oso fun to fail 6 bp's in a row with 300 + 15% + Blacksmithing Mastery 3