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**Sir CromBattleAxe** · 01-09-2003, 03:11 AM

Hello and welcome to the boards.

Though I havent seen this one posted in almost 2 weeks I would like to be the first to point out that no this isnt a real forge and only works for a specific quest.

This was always listed on the main site I believe the quote was " DO NOT EMAIL ME WITH THIS AGAIN.

At least I am prety sure thats the direct quote from the den mom.

Thanks

CromBattleaxe
250 Dwarven smith

**Sinuuyanea Nocturne** · 01-09-2003, 03:12 AM

For the 1000th time (and, it IS listed in the FAQ), the "Always Works" forge is for a couple of Cabalis quests ONLY. It doesnt do any other combines, now or retroactively, cultural, non-cultural, or Planes of Power combines.

EDIT: Bah, you beat me by a whole minute

**Bennan** · 01-09-2003, 03:36 AM

Is that a no then Sinuuyanea )

**burnttoastv** · 01-09-2003, 08:20 AM

Completely off topic, but is Sir CromBattleaxe the one with the Santa Crom sig on the old eqtraders boards?

**Koner** · 01-09-2003, 12:25 PM

Why can't you politely answer a persons questions OR simply refer them to the answer without an attemp to make them look stupid or belittle them?
I have been a regular reader of this message board for over a year now. I use the main site on an almost daily basis and I see this over and over again. If someone asks a question that has been asked before someone will inevitably attack them or make a seemingly annoyed post telling them that they shouldn't be asking questions that have been asked before. As I said I have been a long time reader of the boards and this particular post is the first I have heard of the "always works" forge in Dalnir. I have read the FAQ before as well and missed it. Obviously people can and do miss information. Information is exactly why this message board exists. It was created to give people a forum in which to exchange information. By making posts like:

-Though I havent seen this one posted in almost 2 weeks

-This was always listed on the main site I believe the quote was " DO NOT EMAIL ME WITH THIS AGAIN

-For the 1000th time (and, it IS listed in the FAQ)

all you are doing is making people afraid to ask questions for fear that someone might belittle them or try to make them look stupid. Unfortunately it appears that some of you seem to be having competitions to see who can do just that first:

-Though I havent seen this one posted in almost 2 weeks I would like to be the first to point out that no this isnt a real forge and only works for a specific quest.

-EDIT: Bah, you beat me by a whole minute

So even if a question is a repeat all I ask is that people treat the asker with some common decency and respect. After all he has shown respect for your knowledge by asking a question.

Life is made unfair by the unfair. Its up to us to make it fair for everyone.

Koner

**ArrakeenNaedShoj** · 01-09-2003, 01:04 PM

It was created to give people a forum in which to exchange information.

No the forums were created to provide an easy method for people to contribute information for the main site. It has since developed into a community that generally shares information readily and happily.

While I am generally of the persuasion of, "there is no such thing as a dumb question." I do believe there are many examples of lazy questions. Any question which you could answer yourself quicker than you can ask and wait for an answer is a lazy question.

After all he has shown respect for your knowledge by asking a question.

Many people have contributed a lot of time and effort into providing as much information in as easy to find a format as possible on this site/board. It is only human for them to resent it when hundreds(and that isn't an exagerration) do not respect that effort and expect something hand fed to them. While I would like to say it is easy and wonderful to rise above that nature and politely answer the question, it isn't always, and I always find it sad when people jump all over those that don't.

Besides, it isn't beneficial to handfeed someone information all the time. Since it normally takes less time to get answers off the site or FAQs or search the board, than it is to post a message and wait for an answer. Sure, sometimes the answers aren't there, and you have to ask, but at least then you are respecting the work of those who have worked so hard to provide you with the information you need by actually utilizing the resources provided. And yes some people do need a slap on the back of the hand or a harsh word to realize this.

**Koner** · 01-09-2003, 01:42 PM

Besides, it isn't beneficial to handfeed someone information all the time.

All of the information that is garnered here in the message boards or on the main EQtraders site is information taken from the game itself. It is simplified and put into an easily searched format so that you don't have to run around to 50 different zones and talk to 200 different NPC's. Don't get me wrong I love the main site and the message boards as well. But both EQTraders and these message boards are here to "handfeed" someone information so that they don't have to find it all on their own. They are here to share information. They exist to answer the "lazy questions" that people don't want to spend the time in game to get on their own.

[/quote]No the forums were created to provide an easy method for people to contribute information for the main site[quote]

Message boards are by design for the exchange of information and ideas. If they were originally designed as a method to submit information to the main site there are MUCH easier ways to gather information than a message board format that forces the webmaster to sort through the hundreds of posts to look for the one or two bits of usable information that was submitted in order to add it to the main site.

This is of course just my take on it. I could by all means be wrong. I just find if disturbing to see people treated the way this topics originator was. As I said. Life is made unfair by the unfair. I think it can and should be fair for all and that is why I responded the way I did. I fight everyday to make it that way for everyone. Its just the type of person I am.

**Cylinor** · 01-09-2003, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by Koner

As I said. Life is made unfair by the unfair. I think it can and should be fair for all and that is why I responded the way I did.

If you really believed that life should be fair for all, then you would expect the original poster to go to the same lengths that the researchers of this site have to gather the information he is looking for. He should spend hours travelling norrath talking to npc's and scouring the web for information.

If you expect the original poster to be treated with respect and spoon fed the information, you are belittling the effort put forth by the researchers here and asking them to put more work in than the people that come later. Hardly a fair idea.

Life is made unfair by individuals expecting something for nothing and making life difficult for those that won't give it to them.

Now if you want posters here to be kind and polite, don't ask for fairness... No one deserves polite, it is something offered, regardless of merit, to individuals out of courtesy, not fairness.

**sir0die** · 01-09-2003, 02:58 PM

i've been routinely monitoring/posting on this board on a daily basis. I click on the EQ Traders Corner Forum Index link and average of once evry 20 minutes (weekdays while at work).

I've asked and answered many posts which are duplicated by posts that were already posted. Just because you and i are here daily, doesn't mean that the person posting has been. To them it's a new question. I personally do not look past the first page on message boards (specific threads i might read all the pages, but not the index).

The ONLY time i had a negative comment towards someone was when they posted "how do i _______________", when the post on the top of the list was "how to _________________". I guess the best example would be the guy asking how to get to GM in smithing when "so-and so's misers guide to GMing smithing" was the most recent post before his. (sorry if it's your guide and i'm not giving you credit).

But Koner is right, those were rather rude responses. I know from experience, i might have read something before, but when i really need the details, i can't find it again. So the comment about being "HANDFEED" is a crock of bull. HANDFEEDing someone info in a thread is no big deal, the problem comes when you realize you've been hand feeding them for a LONG time or ALOT. (lvl 21-250, or 87 posts, or the past 4 months)

**Cylinor** · 01-09-2003, 03:23 PM

Sorry I guess that didn't come out quite right.

I ask stupid questions all the time, I over look stuff, and forget what I was looking for.

I just got the impression that he was coming down on the rude responses because they were unfair. But they were very fair. Most people here have spent the time to find the answers, and post them. Fair is to expect exactly the same from everyone. Offering him the answers without requiring his effort is not fair. It is however one of the reasons this forum exists.

So my point was mostly that if you are going to lambast people for being rude don't use "fair" as an arguement. Use polite, kind, gracious or any one of many other words that would result in warm fuzzies returned to the original poster (Hawkfist, I haven't forgotten your name!). Fair is generally painful and unkind...

**Lilosh** · 01-09-2003, 03:39 PM

I'm sorry, but If you can't be bothered to check a FAQ before posting, then you shouldn't expect people to coo gently into your ear with the correction.

Please dont complain that we are unfair for being a bit harsh when you ask readily available information.

-Lilosh

**Xorshaik** · 01-09-2003, 05:10 PM

In coming back each time I see a new response under this thread, I've seen 1 question asked initially, then 10 times returned and started reading responses and stopped reading once I saw it was a discussion about people that ask questions which are answered elsewhere.

Sorry to those who feel the same way and have now had to read response #11, but I hope there doesn't have to be a response #12.

IMO about the time Koner came in with response #3 or 4 or whatever, everything that needed to be said had been said. Maybe a nice new thread in Primal Scream would be handy?

**hawkfist** · 01-09-2003, 08:58 PM

Apologies

First of all, let me apologize for asking what is apparently a redunant and pointless question. I have read the various FAQs, but apparently not well enough (and no, I didn't CNTL+F, just skimmed through).

I've been reading -- and posting -- here for almost a year, and never come across the information before - and since I'd never been to Dalnir before either, thought it was a legit question.

Those who were rude and peremptory with their responses show more about their character than about my ignorance --- mine was an error of ignorance, theirs of willful rudeness. But message boards are rude places, and I'm a big fellow, I don't mind a lot.

Those who spoke up in favor of more courtesy and patience for people, who like me, step on a landmine of a sore question, I thank you for the thought, and agree that there is always a need for more courtesy and forbearance, and rarely a need for less.

**Bennan** · 01-10-2003, 12:28 AM

When a question is asked, in a forum like this, it needs to be qualified (IMHO).

That being, I checked the FAQ, I checked the recipies and searched the website, but I could not find an answer to the following question.

If I want to draw upon the collective knowledge that this website acts as a central focus point for, then the best way is to show that you have done some work yourself in solving the question.

The above, not only will get you "fair" replies, but a enrichment of this community. When people just create an account and post a question (which is easily researched), and then bump that question every 20mins. You are degrading this knowledge base. I would refer the reader to a post in the Tailoring Forum that shows this, and "non-fair" answers (not personal attacks) are the best way of stopping it.

And I am not infering that Hawkfist did this, I just feel that this whole problem would be solved if people would insert some background into the lengths they have gone to solve the question themselves...

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