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I got to 132 last night and checked the guide to see what was next, and it suggested that woodelves could do fierdal fletching kits cheaper than fine plate. I checked this with the channel and got mixed responses...some people advised strongly against it and some said it was fine...I am now confused as to what I would be best doing. Could someone offer some further advice please?
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Last edited by Tyfold; 11-22-2004, 11:58 AM. -
This has a few things going for it, and quite a few things going against it.
On the plus side, everything is purchasable on merchants. This makes it much less stressful to gather components for. Also the cost is not too unreasonable at just over 6pp per combine.
On the minus side, neither the molds or bricks stack, so you are using 4 non-stacking items per combine. At that rate you will likely only be able to do 10 combines per trip before having to reload. It will also cost a bit more than using fine plate, because the sellback on successful combines is nearly zero. Additionally, the ore is only available in North Felwithe, while you will have to go elsewhere to get the molds (probably PoK or Shadowhaven is easiest).
Soooo if you don't mind losing 6pp on a combine (fail or success) and lugging ore around to get to where the molds are, and spending a little bit more for the convenience of being able to do the combines whenever you feel like it without having to farm anything then these kits are for you! (whew! That was a long sentence).
Boleslav Forgehammer
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Unless the economics have changed significantly, the value of the padding is probably 20-40pp each. So even farming the padding oneself, if you do any regular bazaar /tradering, it is still a significant "loss" per fine plate combine, as you could've stuck that padding on your trader and gotten 30pp for it.Originally posted by Boleslav
So the fletching kit is ~6pp loss (fail or success), whereas the fine plate is a loss of ~20-40pp (padding) on success and a loss of ~20-40pp (padding) + ~20-80pp (materials) = ~40-120pp on failure.
Other factors may make the plate more attractive and ultimately better for you - but from a straight plat value, the fine plate looks significantly more expensive to me.Comment
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I did this route with my druid to get his smithing up. It is a lot of running, a WHOLE lot of running to buy mithril if your not a gating class but I would recommend this if plat is a concern. If plat is no object, then go with fine plate.
I did a walkthrough with my druid to locate which vendors I had to go to before I started to grind through this and then just ran with sow and lev on around Kelethin for my parts and bound at the forge or in front of the mithril vendor in Felwithe. Since the running around is similiar to working on smithing up parts for doing Fier'dal fletching and your a druid, I would suggest binding in front of the felwithe mithril vendor. That way you can gate to vendor and then lesser succor (or just succor) your way back to Kelethin after you zone into Gfey.Mayyne Battlesmith Lvl 55 Smithing Enchanter Drinal
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I used them to skill up. Yeah, it's some running around, and yeah, you need lots of bag space, but unless you're willing to farm all of your leather padding yourself (which takes time), I found this route to be very cheap. As Dunthor said, you definitely lose around 6pp per attempt on kits, but you lose whatever you pay for padding (usually much more than 6pp) and you lose much more on any failures, or you lose the time spent farming it (which some people value more than pp). I cleared enough space in my bags to be able to make kits in groups of 10, and skillups went pretty steady in my experience. All of the pieces you need are sold in Kelethin, except the ore which is sold in the next zone, Felwithe, so you don't need to run around to PoK or anyplace else.
The bottom line, if time spent farming is no issue to you, using fine plate *might* be cheaper, but even then a single failure is more costly than a kit. If you plan on buying padding from the bazaar, then the cultural kits are much, much cheaper. Really, the main downside to the kits in my opinion is the stacking issue.
--Myrron Lifewarder
The bottom line, if time spent farming is no issue to you, using fine plate *might* be cheaper, but even then a single failure is more costly than a kit. If you plan on buying padding from the bazaar, then the cultural kits are much, much cheaper. Really, the main downside to the kits in my opinion is the stacking issue.
--Myrron Lifewarder
Myrron Lifewarder, <Celestial Navigators>, Retired
Grandmaster Tailor ( 250 ) Master Brewer ( 200 ) Master Fletcher ( 200 ) Master Jewelcrafter ( 200 ) Master Smith ( 200 ) Master Baker ( 191 ) Master Potter ( 190 )
Grandmaster Tailor ( 250 ) Master Brewer ( 200 ) Master Fletcher ( 200 ) Master Jewelcrafter ( 200 ) Master Smith ( 200 ) Master Baker ( 191 ) Master Potter ( 190 )
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Doh... I must have had a big brain cramp to not consider the bazaar value of leather padding when discussing the cost of fine plate. I took smithing to 250 before there was a bazaar, and got most of my leather paddings through vendor mining for pelts and silks. Those were the days...
Boleslav Forgehammer
Paladin of Brell in his 66th Campaign
E'ci - Sacred Destiny
GM Smith - Old School
Boleslav Forgehammer
Paladin of Brell in his 66th Campaign
E'ci - Sacred Destiny
GM Smith - Old School
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I find it easier to have my enchanter camped in Felwithe to purchase the mithril and put it in the bank. That way I don't have to lug an encumbering load back to the cultural forge from Felwithe.
Tillinghast
The talking vendor mule
Tillinghast
The talking vendor mule
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What class and level are you?
If plat's a concern, you might wish to farm FS drops somewhere, and convert those weapons into HQ ore, for use in making Ornate Chainmail. The coinage generated while farming the FS can go towards the bars of electrum and gold that you'll be using.
As far as "losing" 30ish plat because of consuming the leather padding, that is only an actual loss if you bought the LP in the bazaar. If you farm the materials for the LP, then the 30ish plat is an opportunity cost. You give up the opportunity to turn that LP into 30ish plat when you turn it into a piece of armor. You saved yourself the 30ish plat bazaar cost by farming the LP yourself.
If plat's a concern, you might wish to farm FS drops somewhere, and convert those weapons into HQ ore, for use in making Ornate Chainmail. The coinage generated while farming the FS can go towards the bars of electrum and gold that you'll be using.
As far as "losing" 30ish plat because of consuming the leather padding, that is only an actual loss if you bought the LP in the bazaar. If you farm the materials for the LP, then the 30ish plat is an opportunity cost. You give up the opportunity to turn that LP into 30ish plat when you turn it into a piece of armor. You saved yourself the 30ish plat bazaar cost by farming the LP yourself.
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Originally posted by Astroshak
You saved ~30 raw plat by farming the padding yourself, but you cost yourself significant time, which likely had a plat-equivalency greater than 30pp for most people - ie, you could've spent that time instead doing something that would be a better plat generator. Self-farmed padding is anything but free.
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And dont' forget the other aspect of opportunity cost. If you farmed that leather padding yourself, then you could have sold it in the bazaar for 30pp (or whatever the going price is on your server). So it isn't just the cost of time spent farming vs. alternatives for acquiring pp. Once you have it, you have the equivalent of 30pp. Farm it or buy it. Either way you lose the pp when you combine it.
As an example, on Zeb, Velium has been selling for about twice as much as acrylia. When I want acrylia bad enough to farm, I farm velium, sell it and buy acrylia. Since these are items that are actively exchanged with regular frequency, they are as good as money. (Actually, there is a good argument that things like acrylia, velium, leather padding, etc., ARE money but that is best left for another conversation.)
As an example, on Zeb, Velium has been selling for about twice as much as acrylia. When I want acrylia bad enough to farm, I farm velium, sell it and buy acrylia. Since these are items that are actively exchanged with regular frequency, they are as good as money. (Actually, there is a good argument that things like acrylia, velium, leather padding, etc., ARE money but that is best left for another conversation.)
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