/hug new Tradeskill UI

[Silound]

All I can say is I have a little over 3000 combines of MTP's and HMP's ready on mules to move to my baker asap, before the market crashes hopefully.

[Tudamorf]

Originally posted by Aandaie
The most annoying part is always the camps/drops.
So this really won't change much.

There are no camps/drops with Sickles; it's just a matter of platinum and clicking. The UI takes out most of the clicking so I think we will see a whole new batch of insta-GM smiths.

Combined with EVBs, which completely trivialize the route to 222, Smithing will no longer be considered one of the two difficult trade skills. A GM Smith will be about as impressive as a GM Brewer -- /yawn.

[RangerTimy]

Originally posted by Silound
All I can say is I have a little over 3000 combines of MTP's and HMP's ready on mules to move to my baker asap, before the market crashes hopefully.

If you make 3,000 combines, I think you will play an extremely large role in causing the market to crash, or at least limbo, on your server.

[Taushar]

Originally posted by Tudamorf
There are no camps/drops with Sickles; it's just a matter of platinum and clicking. The UI takes out most of the clicking so I think we will see a whole new batch of insta-GM smiths.

Combined with EVBs, which completely trivialize the route to 222, Smithing will no longer be considered one of the two difficult trade skills. A GM Smith will be about as impressive as a GM Brewer -- /yawn.

I disagree. I did mostly sickles to smithing GM recently and I can tell you, it will still not be easy to do. First of all, it cost me about 10kpp to attempt at one stack of sickles if I buy everything. If I make everything, it takes me about 6kpp. This means unless I have tons of money, I can only afford to do a stack or two at a time, sell the sickles to fund the next stack of combines. The cost will prohibit many to easy GM route.

I usually do the combines in SH. None of the final sub combine stack so that means I have to have 60 slots open, which I never do, or have a mule next to me to transfer items. This takes a while and this time is not saved using the new UI.

If I was to do all the sub combines myself, this what I have to do. I have to run to PoK and grab 120 each of Celestial Solvents and Scent of Marrs. Combine to make 120+ celestial essences. I have to run to FG to buy Elvin Wine for Mistletoe Temper. I have to run to the gem merchant to grab 4 stacks of Emeralds and a stack of Ruby. I then run to other end of SH to grab a stack of Sapphires. I then sit down and imbue 3 stacks of Emeralds, takes me 1.5 full mana bar to imbue them. Run back to the pottery area, get jars of acids, go to the kiln and make Blessed Dust of Tunare. Buy Mistletoes. Run to the brew barrel and make Mistletoe Tempers. Run to the forge, where my mule is at, grab sheets of metal, pommel molds and make pommels. Transfer pommels to mule. Grab more sheets of metal and hilt molds and make hilts. Transfer to mule. Finally get more sheets of metal and run to the cleric guild to buy curved blade molds. Make curved blades. Now you are ready for final assembly.

This one stack, even if I were to buy celestial essences, would take me about 3 hours. From those 3 hours, I would spend maybe 45 minutes total on combines at most, rest are running around setting things up etc. If the new interface saves me half of the combining time, that would mean I would save maybe 25 minutes out of total of 3 hours.

Does it make it easier? Of course. Does that mean I can combine 5 times more per session than before? Nope. The new interface will save me some time but for the tedious sub combine heavy items, it will only save me fraction of time. I would doubt this would creat tons of more new GMs than we have now.

Taushar

[eniamn]

buy your gems in pok.

i have the same thing with baking. thankfully just pok and rivervale for picnics. still at least 3 hours for all the combines. mine final combine stacks though. they have too.

this will make smithing as easy to get as brewing once there is unlimited supply of everything you need in the bazaar and can be gotten for at most 2k to gm it. not in this norrath.

[DeegerStormcrow]

There are no camps/drops with Sickles; it's just a matter of platinum and clicking. The UI takes out most of the clicking so I think we will see a whole new batch of insta-GM smiths.

That would be me. I'm not a big fan of the UI but I will use it to my advantage. I'm saving up the money now.

[Tudamorf]

Originally posted by Taushar
The new interface will save me some time but for the tedious sub combine heavy items, it will only save me fraction of time. I would doubt this would creat tons of more new GMs than we have now.

The issue is not time, it's tedium. With the new UI, you click go click, click, click, click in the same spot while watching TV. It's almost like sitting AFK. That's why a lot of people will do it, because they're far too lazy to actually drag the item into the little square and then drag the cursor to the combine button.

I don't know how you manage to make a stack take 3 hours (try PoK maybe?), since 30-60 minutes is more like it. Each stack is a point, so we're talking about 222 -> 250 in 14-28 hours or a week of average play time (2-3 days of hardcore play time).

GM smithing is now utterly trivial, only requiring some seed money.

[Kellaen]

GM smithing is now utterly trivial, only requiring some seed money.

You can say that about every skill without needing to use the new ui. All it takes is plat.

[branagan]

Yeah I dont understand why everyone is complaining about the new UI. OMG its gonna break tradeskills!

I am GM of almost all the tradeskills cept tailoring and pottery. Getting carpal tunnel syndrome from dragging and clicking like mad just isnt that big a badge of honor for me. Most any tradeskill now can be mastered by throwing plat at it. Specially with being able to buy most anything you need in the bazaar. Yeah you may spend 3-5 times as much as if you did it yourself, but most people have too much cash now anyway.

Realistically I do tradeskills now for myself. There are a lot of nice items out there, and a few decent quests involving tradeskills. Plus being able to make planar tradeskill stuff for guild use is nice. There has been little or no market to really make any profit using tradeskills for a long time. UI is not gonna change that.

I'm really not looking forward to the crap load of posts that will show up on the boards here with people complaining about the UI when it DOES actually go live.

[Zyrtryx Conjureblade]

My biggest fear is that once the new UI goes live, the prices for expendable items made using tradeskills (namely Baking and Brewing items) will plummet, while the prices for the dropped and foraged components for most tradeskills will rise. I forsee the # of people selling food and drinks rising dramatically.

To keep this on topic, I'm betting the prices of Blue Diamonds and planar drops used for Smithing go up, although I doubt the price of Blue Diamonds will go as high as they once were.

However, I'm kind of looking forward to it, as it will save me from risking carpal tunnel syndrome. Doing HMP and MTP combines (well, the one stack of MTP combines I did, anyway) just about killed me, and I don't look forward to doing Minotaur Hero Brews or advanced Smithing unless the UI goes live by the time I'm ready for those....

[branagan]

Well personally I have been at 193 smithing for a while now. Farmed up about 200 or so swirling shadows, and was about to hit the war to get the other stuff. Have sat around waiting on the UI to go in to do my combines that way, instead of the tedious method now.

Droppable and foraged prices on my server already suck. Why people think I am gonna pay 75 plat per swirling shadow i dont know. Its like people see that tradeskill tag on items and immediately put them up for sale for 75-100 plat. I really think THAT has helped to ruin tradeskills more than any other thing.

[zandorian]

I am not sure if Beta and Test are using the same tradeskill UI. A question for those on TEST server. If you go to a Tradeskill container do all the recipies close to your skill show up in list ?

For example if you went to brew barrell would etereal temper recipe be in the list of recipes ?

Hainnon 1750 Club
TM and Beta Servers

[Silound]

If you make 3,000 combines, I think you will play an extremely large role in causing the market to crash, or at least limbo, on your server.

Aye, but on Prexus, the market is so bad it won't matter. 2 hours from patch point, I'll bed 50k there will be at least one person with over 1000 MTP for sale at an absurdly low price, like 6p each. I've talked to several major suppliers in the market, most plan to keep the price stable at ~10p as best they can, however, since it's so cheap to GM baking and will now be easy, I wouldn't be surprised to see 4-5 new GM bakers selling off MTP at <10p each trying to get a cut in the market. Hopefully the price of BD's will drop as well though.

[Gurck-Quellious]

There has been little or no market to really make any profit using tradeskills for a long time.

Absolutely untrue. If this is the strongest argument for the new UI, I can only shake my head in pity.

Why people think I am gonna pay 75 plat per swirling shadow i dont know. Its like people see that tradeskill tag on items and immediately put them up for sale for 75-100 plat. I really think THAT has helped to ruin tradeskills more than any other thing.

I agree, but I tend to blame the buyer more than the supplier, same with Ebay in EQ. The buyers, in this case, are mostly Grimelers and, by extension, the blame lies in large part with SOE for implementing the quest as it stands. The earring should have been far less uber and not have required EP flags. It would have kept tradeskilling for those who wanted to do it (or have a thing for self-punishment ) and not done so much harm to the TS economy and morale. It's literally more profitable now, in many cases, to farm for Grimelers than to actually craft items - ie. the Norrathian equivalent of skilled labor. That's out of whack imo.

[Garndart]

I find it hard to beleive the ui will trivilize smithing.

1. If you just go the throw cash at smithing im not gonna farm a damm thing route. your looking at 200-600k in cash outlay. If a person has and decides to throw that kinda cash at it the new UI is only gonna save them 2 days worth of clicking. If they dont have the cash to throw at it there not going to save much time at all you can farm velium bits for 8 hours and combine all your farmed components in a half hour it will save them like 20 mins.