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  • Please Feedback, Merchant Selling Prices for LDoN Armor are Ridiculously Low

    Folks, we have a great blessing in the LDoN armors, but it's being squandered because of one major flaw in the implementation of them:

    The merchants are selling these armors at or below the cost to make them. As people use this recipe to skill up, they are collapsing the entire low-mid level armor market.

    As players realize they can just run up to a merchant vendor by a forge and find a Gothic Steel or Sandblasted breastplate for less than 100pp, these merchant sellback prices are crushing the player economy.

    Smiths who are working the LDoN armor market are finding their markets dry up fast. Players simply won't buy any armor unless its at the merchant selling price; they get spoiled. That's bad enough, but this problem becomes more serious when you consider the rest of the low-mid range market.

    The effects are beginning to be felt across the player economy. People no longer want to put up 700-800pp for acrylia plate gear when its benefits over a LDoN armor piece are marginal. Fine Plate is a joke; the merchant selling price is higher than that of our LDoN armors. The Temple of Solusek Ro is a joke; the gems alone needed to make the class-specific armor quested there cost more than these LDoN armors do from a merchant, and all that is needed is an occasional walk to the forge building in PoK to find most of the pieces you're looking for; those Solusek Ro quests take a LOT of travelling and hunting. Many, many items, and a lot of content is now obselete and abandoned. This effectively shrinks the world of EQ for a lot of people.

    Lambent and similar class-specific breastplates used to sell for 1000 pp. Now not only do they not sell, they are not quested. An entire zone of content, with global quests, wasted, unused. Part of this is natural inflation that comes with expansions, and that's ok. But to make old content so thoroughly worthless seems like an awful shame to me. Many other zones that feature nice low-mid level drops are similarly bypassed, or used for PLers.

    There is a simple solution to this problem: Increase the sellback price of LDoN armors off merchants. Many items are bought by merchants only to be sold at 50 times the buying price; I think there should be a similar, drastic mark-up for these LDoN armors. It makes sense; it SHOULD cost a lot more than fine plate. It's a LOT nicer. From a roleplaying and game balancing perspective, this seems to be the right thing to do.

    I realize that balance is something that is usually considered for the top-end of the game, but I think that, just as our abilities scale with level, so should our market purchasing power.

    If you agree with me on this one, please /feedback in-game about it.

    If you make this stuff for skillups, please, as a courtesy to others, only sell it to full merchants.

    Feroce

    52 Bard, smithing 189
    Last edited by FeroceFV; 10-22-2003, 09:39 PM.
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    Just do what i do, only sell the stuff to vendors thats already got all their slots filled. Since they nerfed vendor mining, this will effectively solve your problem.

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    • #3
      Well, it might help, but I don't see that as a fix. People in general are going to keep vendoring this stuff, and a lot of them just won't care enough to go around the corner and find a full merchant.
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      • #4
        I've been salvaging and selling in the Bazaar. Pathetic, but there it is. My LDON stock sells so fast, it's the only way to keep my bags full. If I find armor on a merchant (and I know which ones to check), and I know that people will pay more for that particular piece in the Bazaar, I slap on the cha gear and buy it.

        I've made a few K doing this, and I've yet to take a loss. I'd prefer to make the stuff myself and get a skill-up, but at least it's making me some money.

        But yeah, I agree, the vendor resale price should be increased dramatically and preserve the market.

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        • #5
          fine plate was selling for over 300pp for 17 ac and no stats. this is less than 100pp. yeah raise the sell price.
          Last edited by eniamn; 10-16-2003, 01:22 PM.

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          • #6
            Re: Please Feedback, Merchant Selling Prices for LDoN Armor are Ridiculously Low

            Originally posted by FeroceFV
            Lambent and similar class-specific breastplates used to sell for 1000 pp. Now not only do they not sell, they are not quested. An entire zone of content, with global quests, wasted, unused. Part of this is natural inflation that comes with expansions, and that's ok. But to make old content so thoroughly worthless seems like an awful shame to me. Many other zones that feature nice low-mid level drops are similarly bypassed, or used for PLers.
            This part of your rant is about 3 years too late
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            • #7
              ummm how exactly is merfchant mining been nerfed? i still find it a viable way to get supplies

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              • #8
                For the Temple of Sol Ro armors, wouldn't the easiest fix be to simply remove (or reduce in price as some pieces are still quite good for the intended level) the gem component needed and reduce the buy back price for those pieces of armor? That would make it more worth getting, but not to get just to sell to a vendor. I know if it didn't take the gems I'd love to turn in some of the components I get wandering around just to have some goodies to give to the very rare true newbie.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by YurienStonebow
                  ummm how exactly is merfchant mining been nerfed? i still find it a viable way to get supplies
                  NPC merchants no longer have a "backstock". What you see is what you get. You can't buy out a cheap item to see what items a merchant may have in slots beyond the already visible ones. When an item is sold to a vendor with an already full inventory that item goes *poof*.

                  So what he was saying was that since vendors now destroy overstock, that if you wanted to help preserve the market a bit, only sell skill-up successes to merchants with already full inventories. This way nobody can buy it back from them for obscenely cheap prices.
                  Stugein
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                  • #10
                    OK I have another solution for you all... The LDON stuff needs High Quality ore right? So What you do is keep 4 bricks (What ever size) of Unrefined ore on you when smithing... Sell all LDoN items back the the Vendor that sells the HQ ore. When done for the night say to them "I am willing to help" you get a 4 slot container, fill that with your matched bricks of unrefined ore and turn it in.

                    You have done 2 things in doing this:
                    1. you restock the vendor
                    2. You remove all the items that the vendor was selling as it has to respawn to be restocked.

                    I will be doing this myself for my Druid and enchanter as they skill up in smithing for the shawl quests.
                    Sir Cavel Cade
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cavel
                      OK I have another solution for you all... The LDON stuff needs High Quality ore right? So What you do is keep 4 bricks (What ever size) of Unrefined ore on you when smithing... Sell all LDoN items back the the Vendor that sells the HQ ore. When done for the night say to them "I am willing to help" you get a 4 slot container, fill that with your matched bricks of unrefined ore and turn it in.

                      You have done 2 things in doing this:
                      1. you restock the vendor
                      2. You remove all the items that the vendor was selling as it has to respawn to be restocked.

                      I will be doing this myself for my Druid and enchanter as they skill up in smithing for the shawl quests.
                      Nope, LDoN smithing uses MQ folded sheets, the same as fine plate. These are made from MQ blocks, which are always available on vendors.

                      And the discussion or issue in this thread is that when players sell LDoN armors to merchants to get rid of theirs, the merchants are selling them for a very low cost, ie under 100pp for a bp, which is ruining player sales in bazaar for these items.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tinile
                        Nope, LDoN smithing uses MQ folded sheets, the same as fine plate. These are made from MQ blocks, which are always available on vendors.

                        And the discussion or issue in this thread is that when players sell LDoN armors to merchants to get rid of theirs, the merchants are selling them for a very low cost, ie under 100pp for a bp, which is ruining player sales in bazaar for these items.
                        Aye, but not just for these items. For a wide variety of items. Anything of comparable stats to these armors is getting its price torpedoed. It's incredibly unbalancing. Anything of similar or inferior stats is now next to worthless, and anything of incrementally superior stats is a HUGE jump in prices over this.
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                        • #13
                          Solusek Ro armors were once the hot stuff when they were really the only viable choice before Planar. Kunark serious ly dropped their prestige, and Velious killed em. Luclin put the final nail into the coffin.

                          I do agree that LDoN armor should be sold by vendors at much higher prices. NPC vendor should augment, not compete with, player market.
                          Bregalad Alcarin, High Elf Coercer, Xev <In Via Dämnum>

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                          • #14
                            sol ro armor was only usefull before they nerfed them (1 week after they came out) to be droppable.

                            I was soooo p'o'ed when they did that cause they ruined a big investment (at that time) in both plat and time
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                            • #15
                              NPC vendors are offering about 25pp per sheet for the LDoN armors, and selling for about 100pp per sheet. I don't use them for skilll ups much any more since the pieces for the tempers sell for about 250-400pp each in the bazaar, and my guildies won't save them. Personally, I think this is a non-issue. The drop rates of the temper parts appears to have drastically dropped in the past few weeks. This week, one trip through a dungeon = 1 or less piece for the armor.

                              If you are worried about armor sales, I believe that the armor will dry up as the gear gets used for skill ups, and the tempers become unobtainable.

                              If you have cultural, you have an alternate route. Looks like it is back to seafury island in OOT for me.

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