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  • LDoN Armors, Smithing Finally Done Right

    With the advent of LDoN, we got some fantastic new recipes. They helped fill a gap between non-magical and top-end armors that was sorely needed, but their real benefit was that they made smithing a viable, dynamic trade for us.

    Before LDoN, when new recipes came out, they were either used heavily for skillups and had their market completely blown, or they only had a few final products, and the market for them became a matter of diminishing returns on the same pieces until the market value was virtually the same as the cost involved to make them.

    This changed somewhat with the blue diamond armors of the May 8th patch. A great number of cultural and imbued cultural armors came into play. The only problem with these was the expense and time involved made their costs prohibitively high, and the farming involved was a huge pain in the rear. Additionally, only those people with good cultural recipes were sought-after to make them.

    All that changed with LDoN. The armor, while not cheap to make, is reasonably affordable. The temper agents' availability, while not excessive, allows for a fairly steady flow of supplies, especially with the aid of friends and guildmates. The greatest feature of the LDoN armors, however, is the degree to which you can customize them.

    Every chain and plate class, and every race can benefit greatly from these recipes. Gnome rogues will see small deep cavern steel ringmail as outstanding armor. Shaman will love sandblasted steel ringmail, while the bards in my guild are tripping over themselves getting Gothic steel armor. Warriors are loving both Gothic and Calcified steels, while clerics and pallies are snapping up sandblasted, and shadowknights are eyeing the Frosted steel I churn out. While some armors are in more demand than others, for every temper there is someone who'd love to get their hands on the armor you can make with it. And the stuff we make with it is GOOD, too! With decent stats, strong AC, and those lovely two augmentation slots, we can sell it, at a good profit, for considerably less than most comparable armors.

    Being a smith as an occupation is back in fashion. I sometimes spend an entire night cranking out LDoN armor for my guild and for buyers who want certain pieces made. I give a shout in the auction channel and shout channel that I'm making all types of LDoN armors to-order, chain or plate, all sizes, and give some examples of what I can make, and the orders come in.

    Some people think that the skillup people are gonna ruin these recipes for the full-time for-profit smiths. It won't happen.

    Skillers are no competition at all, for me. They try to sell a lot of stuff in bulk, but in order to make it at all, they have to buy their molds in bulk, and they only buy certain molds; others will cost too much. Most of them don't even have the patience to sell 70 of the same piece in the bazaar, so they just go sell them to merchants. But let's take the few that do try to sell their mass-produced items in the bazaar:

    The net effect is, there's a buttload of small calcified steel collars available. Whoop-de-doo. Some folks might get a lucky deal on these due to their mass-availability.

    Now, what I do is make whatever type of armor people want in their size for the slots they want. Instead of having them buy at my convenience while I'm sleeping in /trader in the bazaar, I custom-make the stuff at their convenience. People appreciate that.

    With five types of armor, and chain or plate armor available, in three different sizes, for 12 slots...

    That's 360 different pieces of armor. Somewhere, there's a person who will want one of those 360 possibilities. No bulk-skiller will even try to have 360 different pieces up for sale.

    No-one can make a decent spread of those combinations. It's useless to try. So skill-up people will flood the small calcified steel gorget market, while the sandblasted chain leggings market goes completely ignored, and shaman look at it lustily. And that's where I come in.

    You can get away with charging for your custom-smithing service at a price that will make you quite a sum. While I can't hold 360 different pieces of armor, I can hold 5 stacks of different tempers, some water flasks, my smithing tools, and some platinum for molds. I get the order, and I make the pieces. When people quote the prices they see in the bazaar to me and try to tell me that I overcharge them, I just tell them that those prices are offered by folks trying to skill-up, that won't take orders, but that I will custom-make them what they want, how they want it, and when they want it. I don't try to compete with the skillers; I don't have to. I won't compete with their ingredient-covering prices, and they can't compete with my flexibility. The orders roll in.

    I've made and spent a fortune this way already, and will continue to do so for quite some time. My guild loves me for making them these armors, and helps gather the temper agents for them. My reputation as a smith has spread, and I find myself getting tells from friends and guild buddies of people who have ordered armor pieces from me before. I get tells from people looking for all kinds of smithing implements.

    In short, these LDoN armors give me an opportunity to be a smith, not just by skill, but by trade. I wish I knew who to write a thank-you note to the developer that came up with this idea.

    These LDoN armors are the best thing that's ever happened to smithing; skillers can use them to skill up, while true tradesmen can make some good platinum off them by being true tradesmen. Would that every armor line we had were like this.

    Feroce
    Last edited by FeroceFV; 10-01-2003, 05:03 PM.
    Battle Bard, Smith
    Molto Expressivo
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  • #2
    Heh...

    Reminds me of when Acrylia Plate was first introduced.

    I made rediculous piles of Plat off Acrylia Plate, simply because I was the only person mass-producing the stuff. I was the one who, no matter how stupid-difficult it was, soloed in TM with my Paladin & Cleric to collect Windstones & Acrylia.

    Half my profits automatically went back into supplies. I didn't make a lot of skill-ups, but I sure did make great strides in upgrading my equipment!
    Angelsyn Whitewings, Cleric of Tunare for 66! Seasons.
    Grandmistress Smith - 300, Grandmistress Tailor - 300, Potter - 300, Jeweler - 300, Brewer - 200, Baker - 200, Fletcher - 200, Fisherwoman - 169
    Keyne Falconer, Paladin of Erollisi Marr for 66 Seasons.
    Grandmistress Baker - 300, Grandmistress Blacksmith - 300, Potter - 200, Brewer - 139, Tailor - 91

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    • #3
      I am not sure of the level of folks in your guild FeroceFV but all of the armors that I see from LDoN are not that great in the 45-65 levels. I am not saying that these armors do not have a place but I was expecting a bit more from the info that the Devs were leaking.

      I was hoping to find some items that I could craft for skill ups (post 222) and also items that might prove usefull to my guild. But the AC and stats on this stuff is just not cutting it for a higher level guild.

      I will tell you that I will be making some of these armors for some of my lower level alts because they are decent.

      Just my 2pp
      Sir Cavel Cade
      65 Paladin
      230 High Elven Smith
      Draconis Valorum
      Tunare

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      • #4
        some of us are only 37. that will be great armor for my twink babies. and much cheaper than the 1800pp i used to twink my wifes necro. wife faction at max ally now though. who says you can't buy faction.

        Maker of Picnics.
        Cooker of things best left unidentified.
        "Grimrose points to the sky. Look! Up in the sky, it's a bird, no, a plane, no it's Picnic-Man. It's Emiamn, a mild mannered tradeskiller by day but daring handsome crime fighter at night. Spreading peace and joy to norrath with his mighty Picnics!"

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        • #5
          The only problem is that LDoN comes out AFTER BD cultural, and AFTER Aid Gimmel has resulted in a large number of 220+ smiths on some servers.

          So when BD cultural prices have fallen over 50% over the past 2 months, and I see the LDoN pieces selling for a few hundred plat each, I can't see that these armors are done right. If they had been part of the armor progression all along, there might be room for a market. And on newer servers, where GM smiths are not so common, they will see good sales.

          But on older servers, all this will do is make more GM smiths to further clog the market.
          Alerithon, Husband of Emmoney.
          E'Ci.
          GM Smith

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          • #6
            On Bertoxx, I see LDoN armor on NPC venders now. People are using it to skill up and nothing more.
            It sells, but for very very cheap and quite slowly.
            I can see though how it would be great on newer servers.

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            • #7
              I can sell the Legs & BP's of various types for 500~750pp each... that's quite a good profit, and if you think I'm on a newer server think again... Rodcet Nife here... just have to pick the pieces that people aren't skilling on, small & medium pieces are getting sold to vendors because those molds are right near the padding vendor, so I make Large plate & a few pieces of chain in Gothic & people eat it up... (the issues with Barbs not being medium in this set has me torn.. they get under serviced now, good for me, but it means an extra set I have to carry that I normally wouldn't) the majority of skillers are ruining the market for a set progretion, & once they are done they stop... I'm making for skill too, but with what seams like a pretty low fail rate I go ahead & make the legs & Vambs that most don't because of mold price, also figure in that I make runs or about 20 attempts at a time I have time to try to sell my stuff w/o going cost cutter crazy... I would love to go the custom creations route, but I just haven't the supply of tempers, as people sell the components for 200~1kpp (or try hehe) I can't wait for the next patch when I spen the day porting from Magus to Magus buying stock as it's sold before they get full

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              • #8
                SO which armor type have you found sell the best?
                I mean between the 5 different LDoN themes.

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                • #9
                  There is a whole thread "LDoN sales" with lots of selling info in this folder. But I find sandblasted and gothic sell best.
                  Tinile, 85th Druid of the Seventh Hammer
                  1750 - 3/12/04, Still plugging away at 2100...
                  Baking 300 | Blacksmithing 273 | Brewing 300 | Fletching 300 | Jewel Craft 300 | Pottery 300 | Tailoring 267

                  Namarie Silmaril, Enchantress of the 67th level
                  Baking 135 | Blacksmithing 123 | Brewing 200 | Fletching 168 | Jewel Craft 250 | Pottery 199 | Spell Research 200 | Tailoring 165

                  Mumtinie, cute little mage of the 61st level
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                  • #10
                    aye, Sandblasted & Gothic... most of the classes that would use the int plate would like stamina as well or more so... add to that I've seen Dtamina augs drop less frequently than int/wis

                    I sell mostly boots/greaves in the sandblasted, in plate... never thought to make it in chain for ashammy, I prefered gothic for mine heh...

                    Gothic BP's, Greaves, Visors (heck I wear one of these!) collars...

                    would like to hear what sells most from someone who caters rather than stocks though, incase I'm missing a market heh

                    been posted before, but don't waste material on large sandblasted plate... no race/class it's suited to really

                    the agi/dex sets I haven't played with much yet, being a plate class I'm trying to max Tak esteem heh

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                    • #11
                      What most people don't seem to realize about the LDoN armor we craft is it has more free slots then the rest of the armor pre-LDoN. I take that into account when I sell my wares. For example... A Sandblasted Ringmail Tunic has AC 24 +6wis and has 2, type 2 slots free. When you combind this with Guk's Type 2 augments (1150 points=Magnetite Prism of Stoutness, Notlore, Str:7, Cha:7, Wis:7, Int:7 and 760 points=Gray Magnetite of Ingenuity, Notlore, Dex:7, Wis:7)it becomes AC 24, 7Str/Cha/Dex/Int and 20Wis. +20 of any stat in just 1 slot is uber enough for higher level healers to sacrifice the AC for the added mana, or stats they could use in another slot. That's why I sell my items for more (not much, but more then 150 for the bp) then the next merchant. I just hope the rest of the vendors figure this out.

                      -Lunglo, Troll smith on Ayonae Ro
                      Last edited by laveyevermore; 10-09-2003, 11:06 AM.

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                      • #12
                        In the bazaar yesterday I found a whole bunch of sandblasted BPs for sale on a merchant. 98pp each approx. I flipped out until I checked the price people were selling them for in the bazaar. 200pp
                        sigh
                        Not worth it to me hehe.

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                        • #13
                          I made a full suit of gothic last night for 4kp.

                          Those power-skilling smiths that sell to not-full merchants should be shot. It does nothing but collapse parts of the LDoN armor market. Even so, I'm still making plenty of plat from these recipes (you can only really use one gorget, after all). People like getting what they want, when they want it. The Bazaar is not where the plat is to be made with this armor. Your auction, shout, and market channels are where it's at.
                          Battle Bard, Smith
                          Molto Expressivo
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                          • #14
                            The people selling this stuff back to merchants (who aren't full) are really starting to tick me off. I just had someone wanting to buy sandblasted vambraces tell me he found the boots for 98pp on a merchant. And??? I'm not selling my armor at cost. I sell purely skill-up pieces, i.e. calcified collars back to full merchants and make it up by selling sandblasted and gothic in a variety of pieces and sizes for a reasonable but profitable price. It sells slowly, but it does sell (over the last month I made about 40 bracers and to my surprise *every* last one sold, if only one or two per day). Rants aside though, it is very nice to be able to smith and at the very least break even.

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                            • #15
                              What most people don't seem to realize about the LDoN armor we craft is it has more free slots then the rest of the armor pre-LDoN.
                              Those augments you mentioned have a rec. level of 65. If someone is still using a 24 ac, no hp breastplate at level 65 they are in trouble, and a 7dex/wis augment isn't going to help. And for 1900 ap you could get a 69 ac 100 hp/mana bp with 300 ap to spare.

                              Now there are some cheap type2 augs which have +1 to +3 in two stats in the 20-40 ap price range. These would be nice if the ap curve weren't so steep that the low level characters for whom this would be useful will never be able to save the points for them.
                              Last edited by Takeshi; 10-11-2003, 01:29 PM.

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