Necro Spell Help

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I am looking for the recipes for the following two spells. I tried the same basic recipes as for lower level versions of the spells but with no luck:

(80) Supplication of Blood Rk2
I tried the same basic recipe as for Call for Blood but DNC
- Spell Research kit
- Fine Runic Charta Arcanum
- Quill of the Arch Lich
- Saryrn's Ink Additive
- Arcane Thickener
- Ink of Pain
- Ink of Zek (2)

(80) Visziaj's Command Rk2
I tried the same basic recipe as for Word of Chaos but DNC
- Spell Research kit
- Fine Runic Charta Arcanum
- Quill of the Arch Lich
- Luclin's Ink Additive
- Debilitating Thickener
- Ink of Ayonae Ro

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Anyone had a chance to try/figure out either of these recipes?