Unresearchable Spells : Rationale

[GrimwoodCT]

Trust me, this is not a rant.

I can easily understand why some spells are unresearchable. I imagine that most fall under at least one of the following criteria:

1) Spell level is too high.
2) Spell requires faction.
3) Spell requires quest.
4) Spell is of too high Rank.

But some spells certainly should be researchable, some like Spirit of Eagle, a Luclin era dropped spell. What is the rationale or reason behind the fact it is not researchable? Just seeking to understand the in-game or meta-reason behind it.

Thanks,
Grim/Squeaky

[Xerius]

1) Spell level is too high.
2) Spell requires faction.
3) Spell requires quest.
4) Spell is of too high Rank.

By appearance, there is a fifth criteria.

5) Spell is a (relatively) common drop, ie. it drops from more than one mob.

Virtually every spell under level 50 is either buyable or Researchable, and those that are not are quest spells.

From 51 to 60, the only spells that are not Researchable are again quest spells and spells that drop from a certain level range of creatures (there are dropped spells that are also Researchable, but the ones I could think of all dropped from only one creature or one zone only). The non Researchable spells are only rare drops if you happen to be looking for them, although again they do share a drop table with a number of other spells in most zones.

From 61 to 65, almost all spells are obtained through a common quest (Parchment hand in's in Plane of Knowledge or Gates of Discord Runes), so they either would all have to be Researchable, or none of them, and they all are. The very few that are not are again quested.

From 66 to 70, all spells are now Researchable, including quested spells.

From 61 to 75, all TSS spells are now Researchable, with the exception of those which have no Rank 2, and those can be vendor bought. All Rk II TSS spells are droppable, so there was no logical way to only add certain ones to the tradeskilled list.

The only anomalies then are the level 66 to 70 spells, and those followed the convention until the quested PoR and DodH spells were made Researchable, and since the only PoR or DodHspells that were not quested were the teleport spells, it is logical again that either no spells are all spells would be added to the list.

[Mitsune Foxfire]

From 66 to 70, all spells are now Researchable, including quested spells.

Except the DoN tier spell rewards, which are not

[Rawlden]

From 61 to 75, all TSS spells are now Researchable, with the exception of those which have no Rank 2, and those can be vendor bought. All Rk II TSS spells are droppable, so there was no logical way to only add certain ones to the tradeskilled list.

Some of the TSS 71-75 Rk. II spells are researchable and some are not. I was under the impression that they were all going to be made so. There appears to be no logical pattern to why some are and some aren't.

Would love to get an explaination from the Ogre.

[Xerius]

Except the DoN tier spell rewards, which are not

Which DoN tier spell rewards in particular?

I have Researched several of the Emoush raid spells for various classes, so although I cannot say all class spells from that raid can now be Researched, some certainly can.

That is the only DoN spell I can think of from the tier missions.

[Xerius]

Some of the TSS 71-75 Rk. II spells are researchable and some are not. I was under the impression that they were all going to be made so. There appears to be no logical pattern to why some are and some aren't.

Would love to get an explaination from the Ogre.

The Ogre has noted that two of the currently unknown TSS spell recipes were simply forgotten, so it is fairly likely all TSS spells that had a Rk II version were intended to be Researchable.

[pilot]

This has me scratching my head. Ones I have been unable to research have been all the "Ancient" spells... which are Omens of war spells I believe. For example a SK spell I was recently asked about. Ancient bite of Muram.

I believe I have been able to make every Spell from DoN level 69 reward for killing Emoush. But not the DoN vender (radiant/ebon crystal) purchased spells. Which range mostly in the 60's.

[Roanne]

All the level 69 DoN spells (and tomes) rewarded for the Emoush event are researchable but the lesser DoN spells purchased with DoN currency from the merchants are not. This is inconsistent in that all the melee tomes purchased with DoN currency ARE researchable. No body really cares or notices as DoN currency is fairly easy to obtain even years after the content is obsolete, but its an inconsistency.

There are dozens of rk. II spells and tomes from TSS that are still either undiscovered or outright nonexistent via research that have nothing to do with them being quested, tied to faction, or otherwise restricted. They seem to just be simply forgotten in the process and left out.

The trouble is, without better feedback, we cant be sure which are forgotten v. undiscovered because of some unconventional recipe. Ngreth has verified a few of the missing spells were forgotten and given out some of the unconventional recipes for others. Unfortunately there are threads both here and on the Sony boards listing these missing spells that go without response. Most people are just willing to live without the rk. II versions where they are missing so this expansion to spell research has been the slowest discovered ever.

EDIT: Ancient spells are purposely left out of research because they are decided to remain "quest" only.

[Xerius]

There are dozens of rk. II spells and tomes from TSS that are still either undiscovered or outright nonexistent via research that have nothing to do with them being quested, tied to faction, or otherwise restricted. They seem to just be simply forgotten in the process and left out.

As you unfortunately pointed out though, other than the couple that have been noted as missing a recipe, we do not know.

I posted a partial list of spells currently unresearched, and since that point, quite a few of those spells have been made, so I do not believe there is any current way to determine whether only a couple spells, or quite a few, lack recipes.

It does give me incentive to amend my list though, removing spells that have been found and adding new unknown ones, in hopes the Research community can pare down the ones with recipes enough to determine which ones are actually missing.

[Ngreth Thergn]

Trust me, this is not a rant.

I can easily understand why some spells are unresearchable. I imagine that most fall under at least one of the following criteria:

1) Spell level is too high.
2) Spell requires faction.
3) Spell requires quest.
4) Spell is of too high Rank.

But some spells certainly should be researchable, some like Spirit of Eagle, a Luclin era dropped spell. What is the rationale or reason behind the fact it is not researchable? Just seeking to understand the in-game or meta-reason behind it.

Thanks,
Grim/Squeaky

Some things for no more reason than they did not fall on a list I was able to "easilly" find to add.

At this time we also do not plan on any "Ancient" spells or Rank III

I do not know the ORIGINAL reasoning why those spells were excluded.