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  • #1

    Can spell research make tomes?

    I cant seem to find any info on tome making, what skill is it?

    I found the tome binding kit but when I put the items for the combine in th combine button wont work.

    Thanks.
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    Believe it is still called Spell Research for all classes atm. Being newly researchable, it it possible not all researchable tome recipes are in the main database yet. You might have to search the forums for help on missing recipes.

    The combines are restricted. Wiz/Mage/Chanter/Necro cannot do tome combines at all. All tomes can be made by pure melee, hybrids can make hybrid tomes & forget the exact rules on bards.

    Need to know exactly what class you are to tell you what container to use. Tome Binding Kit should be for pure melee classes. Hybrid Research Kit for hybrids, etc.
    Last edited by Prexis; 12-17-2008, 12:40 AM.
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  • #3
    So I would have to do tome research on a pure melee class and a hybrid melee class to be able to make tomes.

    Wow thats alot of research ! I guess I will put that on the back burner for now lol.

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    • #4
      A pure melee can make all researchable tomes. A pure caster can make all researchable spells. So between those 2 combinations, you could make anything with research.
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      • #5
        Thanks again.

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        • #6
          Am I missing something but for .... let's a Ranger wants to research Warder's Wrath with a trivial of 352 .... how does one get skill high enough for that when it is the lowest allowed combine for the class?

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          • #7
            Solutions will take you 242, entirely store bought, at which point you have about a 40% chance of success. Harsh but not unworkable. Farm up some Drake Wing Webbings to make researcher clay to 262 (and the 8% trophy), and you're up to 70%.

            Be aware that a hybrid will need AAs to pass 200.

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            • #8
              Once again melee/hybrids get a raw deal

              Once upon a time my wizzie made solutions to skill up in spell research. Then came the discovery of what all those binding powders were for.

              solutions = WAY expensive
              binding powders = way cheap

              So when will norrath hear the lamentations of the melee/hybrid players??

              what do we want? CHEAP RESEARCH!
              When do we want it? NOW!

              enough said

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              • #9
                So we are left with all of 1 route of skilling up research?

                No binding powders?
                No cultural swatches?
                No energeaic rods?
                Not even our own class spells respectively? (classic)

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                • #10
                  I have been busy lately so not had the time to do any research. But I expect that you should have some form of skill path making the tomes (as in the ones you actually use for the combines... not the finished tomes). The few I have done with low level skins did show that sell back to vendor was not too bad so can be quite inexpensive.

                  This will require the farming of the skins/spell scrolls/ papyrus ect.... but then again... you have to farm the binding powders for the cheap path for INT casters as well.

                  After the hoildays I will do more and get back to you.

                  Getting the powers that be to increase the drop rate on skins would be nice since they dont drop any more often than powders and there are never many in the bazaar. Spell scrolls and greater are not as big an issue since you get skill from making the solutions as welll as the manual itself.

                  Originally posted by Cellan
                  Am I missing something but for .... let's a Ranger wants to research Warder's Wrath with a trivial of 352 .... how does one get skill high enough for that when it is the lowest allowed combine for the class?
                  Lets not forget the 40 AA's you have to spend to get to 300 to begin with. I am not going there because it gets my knickers in too much a twist and reminds me I need 30 AA's for my Druid, Shammy and Cleric EACH.

                  They really dont want anyone but INT casters and melee's to do research.

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                  • #11
                    I need 30 AA's for my Druid, Shammy and Cleric EACH
                    Only if you want them all to have a research of 300. One of those three can do the combines for all three of them --- that is, the druid can create all the shaman and cleric spells as well as their own.

                    If you're so much a masochist that you have to GM research on all three, then you are more than enough of a masochist to grind the AAs. ;D
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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by Cellan View Post
                      Am I missing something but for .... let's a Ranger wants to research Warder's Wrath with a trivial of 352 .... how does one get skill high enough for that when it is the lowest allowed combine for the class?
                      There are spells you can research as low as level 61 on a ranger. 232ish+ trivial for building up skill. Remember, as a ranger you can research both spells & tomes for any hybrid class.

                      Only have 280 skill so far on my ranger, but already had a wizard with 300 skill.
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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by Prexis View Post
                        Believe it is still called Spell Research for all classes atm. Being newly researchable, it it possible not all researchable tome recipes are in the main database yet. You might have to search the forums for help on missing recipes.

                        The combines are restricted. Wiz/Mage/Chanter/Necro cannot do tome combines at all. All tomes can be made by pure melee, hybrids can make hybrid tomes & forget the exact rules on bards.

                        Need to know exactly what class you are to tell you what container to use. Tome Binding Kit should be for pure melee classes. Hybrid Research Kit for hybrids, etc.
                        Actually it was never called Spell Research in game it was always just Research. Only players have called it explicitly spell research.

                        Not all Tomes are researchable. Most (if not all) of the ones you can buy in PoK are not researchable. Also a number of Disciplines and Skills from TSS did not get added and it was not noticed in time for them to be added. Ngreth said they will likely be added later as part of a patch.

                        Prexis pretty much got it right but here's a more concise listing:

                        ENC/MAG/NEC/WIZ = Int Classes
                        CLR/SHM/DRU = Priest Classes
                        PAL/SHD/RNG/BST = Hybrid Classes
                        BRD = Bard Class
                        BER/MNK/ROG/WAR = Pure Melee Classes

                        Int Classes can do All Spells and Songs.
                        Priest Classes can do All Priest useable Spells.
                        Hybrid Classes can do All Hybrid useable Spells and Tomes
                        Bards can do All Hybrid useable Spells and Tomes as well as their own Songs.
                        Pure Melee can do All Tomes.

                        As others have pointed out there are a number of skill up paths for everyone aside from Pure Melee. We just have the subcomponent root. Can be expensive but not terrible, especially if you have room to store what you make while skilling up.

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                        • #14
                          Originally posted by thomenthechanter View Post
                          Only if you want them all to have a research of 300. One of those three can do the combines for all three of them --- that is, the druid can create all the shaman and cleric spells as well as their own.

                          If you're so much a masochist that you have to GM research on all three, then you are more than enough of a masochist to grind the AAs. ;D
                          I changed servers before SoD came out. One thing I wanted to do was see if I could get all my toons all of thier TS to 300 with a 7/7 trophy.... Masochist might just be a bit of an understatement... just a bit

                          Good news is that I can grind the AA's as I need and not all at once and since my Necro does all the real spell making... All I have to do is when I get a surplus of supplies is to burn them up on whoever is next in line.

                          Started this mess on Oct 1, 2008... we will see how long it takes... no guild to bother me... solo all my toons so far... thinking maybe 5 years if all goes well... most likely quit EQ long before that.

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                          • #15
                            I'm at 260 and I am confused as a rog.
                            there is a big gap between the level 56 and level 61 tomes.
                            is it because the recipes havn't been discovered or because there are no researchable spells appart from those already discovered ?
                            I tried several ber tomes, the 100 hands effect ones, following the one already discovered, with the right manual without any luck.

                            question is really should I skill on the tomes already discovered or try to make and discover the level 57 to 60 as I have the papers required to do it but unfortunatly not the recipes ?

                            thanks for this little clarification

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