Trophy Not Evolving

[Hendrel]

Hello,

I have a lvl 30 enchanter who just hit 254 in Research, but my trophy is still showing and giving stats at a Journeyman lvl, I received the title of Expert when I hit 250, 4 more skill ups after and my Trophy has still not evolved. I have another char who just hit 250 in Jewelry and that trophy evolved as soon he received the title change to Expert.

The Trophy is showing 48% left to evolve which is not right based on a skill level of 254 , it is toggled to on for evolving, it is always equiped in my Primary slot when I am trade skilling.


I think my trophy is broke ...

Any comments or recommendations would be appreciated

Thanks

Hendrel
Luclin Server

[Ngreth Thergn]

Hello,

I have a lvl 30 enchanter who just hit 254 in Research, but my trophy is still showing and giving stats at a Journeyman lvl, I received the title of Expert when I hit 250, 4 more skill ups after and my Trophy has still not evolved. I have another char who just hit 250 in Jewelry and that trophy evolved as soon he received the title change to Expert.

The Trophy is showing 48% left to evolve which is not right based on a skill level of 254 , it is toggled to on for evolving, it is always equiped in my Primary slot when I am trade skilling.


I think my trophy is broke ...

Any comments or recommendations would be appreciated

Thanks

Hendrel
Luclin Server

what specific combines

How many combines?

what is the current level of the trophy?

were you given a refund trophy by a GM?

What number level is the trophy? *level 4 or 5?

What slot was it equipped in when you made the combines?

[Hendrel]

Hello Ngreth

I started with Beginers Trophy

My progression was with LoY Swatcges to 112
Salil pages to 142
Nilitim pages to 182
Parchment Solutions starting with "Fine" in order up to 243
Spells using parchment Fine, Vellum and Fine Vellum, maybe a couple of Runic to 252, my last 4 skill ups were on Researchers Clay. I am now at a base level of 256 without 5% mod.

My Trophy is currently level 4, showing Journeyman at 5% mod, 83% Progress with active "Yes"

I equip in primary when trade skilling.

I never received a GM or replacement trophy, it did evolve as expected at skill levels 100, 150, and 200 as far as I remember.

Thank you for your time

Hendrel
Luclin Server

[Wyvernwill]

It sounds like you skilled up faster than your trophy exp'd (actually rather common problem with research). For example... My level 5 trophy was at 42% or there abouts when I hit 300 Research. I had to do another 50ish combines to get it to ding to level 6 (accellerated exp gain).

[Gorse]

Hello,

I have a lvl 30 enchanter who just hit 254 in Research, but my trophy is still showing and giving stats at a Journeyman lvl, I received the title of Expert when I hit 250, 4 more skill ups after and my Trophy has still not evolved. I have another char who just hit 250 in Jewelry and that trophy evolved as soon he received the title change to Expert.

You stated 4 more skill ups, but you did not list how many successful combines.

The trophy can never evolve more than 1 Tier ahead of your current skill.

Tier 1 = 50-99 skill
Tier 2 = 100-149 skill
Tier 3 = 150-199 skill
Tier 4 = 200-249 skill
Tier 5 = 250-299 skill
Tier 6 = 300 skill
Tier 7 = Tier 6 +1 (as high as you can get).


If your trophy hits the next tier, it will no longer evolve until your skill reaches the next tear.


However your skill is higher than your trophy, but the trophy is designed to "earn expeirence" at a higher rate. Specifically 11x faster when 1 level below, 21x when two tiers below, 31x faster at 3 tiers below, etc...

In your case we do not know what tier it is, but I am guessing it is 5/7 already. If it is still 4/7 then it will evolve at a rate of approximately 1% per successful non-trivial combine. (If you skill is under 250, your raw skill has to be within 100 points of the trivial level of the item for the successful combine to help evolve your trophy.)

The Trophy is showing 48% left to evolve which is not right based on a skill level of 254 , it is toggled to on for evolving, it is always equiped in my Primary slot when I am trade skilling.

The evolution of the trophy is independent of skill (except for the cap) and your skill is independent of your trophy.

To advance skill, you have to be successful on the passive random roll which either gives you a skill up or not.

Trophies evolve only when a few criteria are met:

- The trophy must be equipped to evolve.
- The trophy must be set to evolve (there s a tab for evolving items on the top of the default inventory screen).
- The combine you are doing must be non-trivial (in your case any combine 251 or higher).
- You must be successful on the non-trivial combine.
- You must gain enough "evolution EXP" to increase to the next higher % of evolution. (Often multiple, successful, non-trivial combines are are required for the trophy to evolve a single %, even when the trophy is at your current level, but typically it is about 1% to 1 successful non-trivial combine when the trophy is at your current level.


Each Tier of the trophy only covers 50 skill points. You just finished Tier 4, and I would guess your trophy is still in Tier 4.


Just because your skill is now 254 does not mean the trophy should be Tier 5, it has to gain enough "evolution EXP" to advance to Tier 5. It just means it is behind your current skill. Which is bad and good. It is bad, because you would have a better bonus from it, if it advanced, but it is good, because it means you have been skilling up faster than the average.


What do you do now. Try a few more combines (5-10 should be fine):

- Make sure the trophy is equiped (PRI, SEC, RNG or ammo)
- Make sure evolution is on (which you said it was, if the background is green you are good to go).
- Make sure the combines are for the right trade skill. =)
- Make sure the combines are non-trivial. (The item trivial level has to be greater than your raw skill, so 251 or higher).
- Check after each successful combine. (if you have an item box open on your screen, it will not update, you have to close it and make a new one).


If it still fails to evolve, then it may be time to start a petition.

Good luck.



Gorse


Edit. Not going to edit, I typed it up earlier in parts and just now got around to getting it submitted. At least it looks like it is working.

[Hendrel]

Thank you for your comments and Gorse thank you for the post, you have certainly explained a lot I did not know about a Trophy in relation to skill level.

As you stated I am 4/7 with a skill of 256 and I do find I am skilling up faster at this level in research than any other trade skill I have worked.

My last 4 skill ups were on 19 attempts of Researchers Clay trival 262, I had 16 combines, 3 failures 4 skill ups.


I will continue on and post conclusion so it may help others.

Thanks again

Hendrel
Luclin Server

[KyrosKrane]

Trophies evolve only when a few criteria are met:

- The trophy must be equipped to evolve.
- The trophy must be set to evolve (there s a tab for evolving items on the top of the default inventory screen).
- The combine you are doing must be non-trivial (in your case any combine 251 or higher).
- You must be successful on the non-trivial combine.
- You must gain enough "evolution EXP" to increase to the next higher % of evolution.

Just a quick note on the bolded criterion. Ngreth has confirmed that the tradeskill trophies ignore the on/off setting. They will always gain experience if they're equipped and an eligible combine is done, even if you've set them to not evolve.

Also, for a trophy to gain exp, the trivial must be 100 points or less above your raw skill. The exception is the level 6 trophy, which will gain exp for any non-trivial combine. The amount of exp gained is based on the trivial of the combine, so a 320 trivial combine will earn more exp for the trophy than a 301 trivial combine. If the trivial is over 350, the trophy caps it at 350 ONLY for the purpose of gaining exp.

[Bobaten]

Also, for a trophy to gain exp, the trivial must be 100 points or less above your raw skill. The exception is the level 6 trophy, which will gain exp for any non-trivial combine. The amount of exp gained is based on the trivial of the combine, so a 320 trivial combine will earn more exp for the trophy than a 301 trivial combine. If the trivial is over 350, the trophy caps it at 350 ONLY for the purpose of gaining exp.

This is the one that hits a lot of researchers from 243-250 (and is probably what caused your problem). Spells from Runic Parchments have a trivial of 351 (so 350 as far as the the trophy cares for evolving xp). When your skill was below 250, your trophy got zero xp for those combines (though you could get skill ups). Once you hit 250 skill, those combines were within 100 points, so the trophy started evolving on them again.

The exception is the level 6 trophy, which will gain exp for any non-trivial combine.

KyroKrane, that line isn't actually true, it's a side effect of the upper cap set at 350, not a special rule for trophy 6. That is, if you had 250 skill and trophy 1-5, it would still gain xp on 350+ trivial combines.

[Ngreth Thergn]

Yeah. You have to watch the very high difficulty combines. Trophies do not evolve on them, until the trophy is level 6, then those combines are fine.

[Bobaten]

Ah, so am I wrong then? If you are 250+ skill doing 350+ trivial combines but your trophy is still only level 5, does it not get xp?

[Ngreth Thergn]

Ah, so am I wrong then? If you are 250+ skill doing 350+ trivial combines but your trophy is still only level 5, does it not get xp?

I forget exactly where I cut it off. you may be safe once you hit 250... I am not sure without looking at the script.

I do know for sure though that at 6/7 you are definitely safe doing any 301+ combine.