Spell Research in SoF

[Nolrog]

From the EQ Live boards:

Old spell research will be seing its end with the Secrets of Faydwer expansion.

This affects ALL recipies that use the following containers:

Phantasmal Tome
Sorcerer's Lexicon
Elemental Grimoire
Book of Dark Bindings
Warlock's Book of Binding
Arch Magus Grimoire
Lexicon
Tome of Endless Enchantments

If the Recipe resulted in spell scroll, the recipe is converted to the new systematic spell research system.

If the Recipe did not result in a spell scroll, it was simply copied to the new container with no changes except that it uses the new container. This includes things such as the runed swatches.

The exception is any "training" runes that may have used the "books" I no longer feel that these are necessary, as you can easily gain the skills in the systematic system past what the training runes gave.

There are not going to be any "new" spell recipes this expansion. If it was not already in the systematic system and if it was not in the old system, then a recipe was not made for it.

The "Stationary" drops will be made to drop worldwide and not just in TSS.

The old drops will be evaluated and at some point removed in order to have less junk drop in the world. This may not be done at the expansion release, but it will happen. If they are used in another recipe such as celestial essence or some tinkering combines, they will continue to drop.

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/po...opic_id=118163

[JonzeGirl]

There are not going to be any "new" spell recipes this expansion. If it was not already in the systematic system and if it was not in the old system, then a recipe was not made for it.

Ok, I am reading this as 71-75 spells won't be made researchable this expansion - that everybody else's understanding?

~Clio

[Gorse]

Ok, I am reading this as 71-75 spells won't be made researchable this expansion - that everybody else's understanding?

~Clio

I would say that is correct. Infact several threads here have already hinted that was likely to be the case.

I don't understand why people keep trying to press this issue though. There is no precedent for spells to be pushed to research in such a short time frame, not to mention that most of the Rank I versions of these spells can be purchase from vendors.



Gorse

[Eanelder]

I don't understand why people keep trying to press this issue though. There is no precedent for spells to be pushed to research in such a short time frame, not to mention that most of the Rank I versions of these spells can be purchase from vendors.

Technically there is precedent, once the level cap increased to 75, the core lvl 66 - 70 spells were made reserachable. Its not unreasonable to have assumed that when the lvl cap is bumped to 80, the lvl 71 - 75 spells were going to be made researchable, especailly given that the papers were dropping for those spells in preperation.

I dont believe its a good ide to NOT make them researchable for SoF, but I cant fault the devs for already having to much on their plate for the release.

[Nolrog]

I'm sure the vendor sold component of those spells played a very big part in the fact that they weren't made researchable. Plus the fact that TSS is only 2 expansions old.

I could see people asking about Depths spells though. Even though they are quested, it's difficult to get people to do the quests anymore, which effectively makes those spells impossible to get (or at the very least, very difficult.)

I hope the removal of all the old runes and parchments doesn't make it too difficult for lower levels to generate some cash.

[Zaltak]

So all my cleansed spell scrolls will become unusable after SoF ?

[Maevenniia]

So all my cleansed spell scrolls will become unusable after SoF ?

they will not change, you just won't have anything you can do with them yet.

[Eanelder]

I'm sure the vendor sold component of those spells played a very big part in the fact that they weren't made researchable.

yes, im sure it did.

Actually, one of my concerns is that vendor bought spells will kill the need for research which is why I keep pushing (pestering) for RK 3 spells to be made researchable, since RK2 spells offer little reason to upgrade.

[Tobynn]

I keep pushing (pestering) for RK 3 spells to be made researchable, since RK2 spells offer little reason to upgrade.

On that note, Rk3 spells also offer little reason to upgrade. There's nothing more than a token difference stepping from Rk1 to Rk2, and there lies the same token difference in upgrading spells from Rk2 to Rk3. Its all pretty negligible in the long run.

Keep in mind that 'quested' spells from recent expansions have not been researchable, I have little hope of ever seeing TSS Rk3 spells become researchable as they are also quest spells.

Down the road, when TSS spells do indeed become researchable, it will surely be the Rk2 versions.

[Gorse]

Technically there is precedent, once the level cap increased to 75, the core lvl 66 - 70 spells were made reserachable. Its not unreasonable to have assumed that when the lvl cap is bumped to 80, the lvl 71 - 75 spells were going to be made researchable, especailly given that the papers were dropping for those spells in preperation.

I dont believe its a good ide to NOT make them researchable for SoF, but I cant fault the devs for already having to much on their plate for the release.

The "core" of spells you are talking about were OoW (and GoD) spells. Nothing from DoN, DoDh, or PoR were made researchable.

Would I like to have Rank III Spells for my charactes? Sure. But, I can't see th reasoning (besides the seller $$$ factor) for making high end raid drop spells which will only be two expansions old available to everyone.

No where is it written that every tradeskill has to remain at the forefront as a viable money-maker every expansion. I think it is a good idea to keep things different to actually make people work some to corner markets.




Gorse

[Eanelder]

On that note, Rk3 spells also offer little reason to upgrade. There's nothing more than a token difference stepping from Rk1 to Rk2, and there lies the same token difference in upgrading spells from Rk2 to Rk3. Its all pretty negligible in the long run.

Yes ... but the upgrade from rk1 to rk 3 is nice with some spells. I can think of a few from my own class at least (utility spells mostly), the ability to jump directly to RK 3, nicer still.

[Eanelder]

The "core" of spells you are talking about were OoW (and GoD) spells. Nothing from DoN, DoDh, or PoR were made researchable.

Yes, perhaps Majority would have been a better word. Some of the DoD / PoR spells were pretty class changing to continue on being so in accessible, but we know that the Devs have been pretty rigid on their stance of "quested" spells.

No where is it written that every tradeskill has to remain at the forefront as a viable money-maker every expansion. I think it is a good idea to keep things different to actually make people work some to corner markets.

The problem is ... if now until the end of EQ, people can buy RK 1 spells off a vendor with no trouble and RK 2s dont offer much of an upgrade (for the sake of the argument I'll assume rk3s arent going to be researchable), then research will have a problem. IMO, the greatest thing about the new research thus far is that its made hard to aquire spells accessable to new characters (LDON, GoD runes, lvl 69/70 oow runes, and PoP spells in some cases). Now the Rank system has taken care of that ... whats the point of research now?

Unless it goes in a completely different direction other then spells, I do believe research will become redundant (past lvl 70).

Would I like to have Rank III Spells for my charactes? Sure. But, I can't see th reasoning (besides the seller $$$ factor) for making high end raid drop spells which will only be two expansions old available to everyone.

Correct me if im wrong but new "level increase" spells are always higher then the previous level spells. So Im pretty sure that the rk 1 lvl 76 spell will be better then that rk 3 lvl 71 spells. So that high end drop will be made redunant anyways, but with research, we wont have to make them wait 5 lvls.

Im not saying it should be easy, im just saying it shouldnt be impossible.

[Canyar]

I suspect this is already under investigation, but I hope they increase the number of zones that saltpeter drops in, with it dropping in zones for the appropriate level.

I saw that the stationary will be changed to drop worldwide, just wondering about saltpeter that is all.

[Abazagaroth]

they will not change, you just won't have anything you can do with them yet.

No. They will be usable just like they are now. DoDH/TSS research isn't what is being changed. They are already on the new system.

[olhoss]

I think there are a couple considerations here. First, making omens spells researchable happened when there were spells to replace them. Specifically when these spells were vendor purchased anyway. It would seem kind of silly to be able to buy a level 72 nuke and not be able to get the outdated 70 nuke because you need a rune. Even moreso for it to be easier for a level 75 character to get his/her spells than a level 70 character, which makes sense.

Second, aside from the fact that the new spells will almost certainly outdate the 71-75 spells, the rank one of these spells is buyable, so why not make rank two researchable if there is so little difference in the spells and when most will become obsolete to players over 75?