Announcement

**Elfdruidess** · 10-15-2006, 11:04 PM

The lvl 1-60 part of the new Spell Research System is only for LDoN spells.

All lvl 1-60 non-LDoN spells cannot be researched through this system.

The lvl 24 mage and necro pet spells you are trying to research can only be made using the old recipes.

**Qaladar Bragollach** · 10-15-2006, 11:19 PM

Also, note that the old world style recipes cannot be cross-class researched. Only a necro can research pre-kunark necro spells and only a mage can research pre-kunark mage spells.

The middle era (LoY recipes which are basically identical in style to old world just adding Kunark, Velious, and Luclin spells to the mix) are kind of a mix. Any int caster can research all of the priest spells (hybrids were still boned). Int casters could still not research other int caster spells though.

Only in the new system (PoP, GoD, and now LDoN and OoW spells) is full access allowed to all researchers.

**Bettik** · 10-16-2006, 12:36 AM

Wow.. That's bizarre, considering they stated you could level and such entirely in TSS zones, but I've not seen a single word drop.

What a shame

edit: Thanks for the information though, appreciated to know what's what

Time to start hunting for them words!

**Gorse** · 10-16-2006, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Bettik

Wow.. That's bizarre, considering they stated you could level and such entirely in TSS zones, but I've not seen a single word drop.

What a shame

edit: Thanks for the information though, appreciated to know what's what

Time to start hunting for them words!

You do not need to have every spell in order to level from 1 to 75, no where is it stated you you are required to have (insert as applicable, spell, armor, drop, supply, etc here) to level to 75.

That said there are plenty of other ways to get said supplies and spells, perhaps you can ask some friends to look in the bazaar for the items you need, or offer pp in auction channels etc... for the parts or the spells.

It is not a shame, otherwise the loot tables from the new zones would be flooded with old EQ items and make it that much harder to get the drops required for the new armor, quests etc...

Gorse

**Ngreth Thergn** · 10-16-2006, 01:11 PM

What Gorse said. It would be gargantuan loot tables.

And it was stated you could get from 1 to 75... which you can.

It was not stated that you would get everything in the game on your way through.

Also note: TSS includes Original EQ, Kunark and Velious and all the "free" zones (which includes PoK, bazaar and a few other "necessary" zones). So with just buying TSS you can get all the spells necessary to get you from 1-75. Yes there will be holes in your spell book. But you can get from 1 to 75.

**Strokker** · 10-16-2006, 01:32 PM

This may be off topic <probably is> but why not revamp the old spell research to align with the new and get rid of the words runes and such people will probably bemoan then I cannot make Celistial essence well you can go to pok or whereever The Scent of Marr is sold and make that I just do not understand people on this. It would make Spell research a lot less of a headache than it already is.

Just my opinion and I know there are some who are looking for a rope or tar and feathers and Probably the resident House Ogre is wondering how Gnome Mage Stew would taste < hint- I'll give you such an upset stomach...tehe >.
Also this is probably against all Spell Research Gods out there so I more than likely will be struck down by lightning <ducks>; but, I don't care I am out of my mind over research I try to get away from it but it invades my sleep at night and I keep wondering around looking at vendors everywhere for this or that and boggle at prices in the bazaar.

Loot table be hanged change the whole lot to align with then new and be done with it.

Ok my friends are here with the white dinner jacket with the buckles in back so I gotta go...L8r all.../grin.

**Ngreth Thergn** · 10-16-2006, 01:50 PM

It is actually what I plan on doing.

But I can only do so much at a time

**Eanelder** · 10-16-2006, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by Ngreth Thergn

It is actually what I plan on doing.

But I can only do so much at a time

Sounds like fun

Will this likely be an expansion thing? Or mid-expansion bonus? (I can image this most likely wont be any time soon)

**Strokker** · 10-16-2006, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by Eanelder

Sounds like fun

Will this likely be an expansion thing? Or mid-expansion bonus? (I can image this most likely wont be any time soon)

I just hope it does not give him headaches, and if it were not too un Gnomish I would hug the big Ogre but I have known some ogres to not have washed therif feet...EVER...lol but I can hold my breath for the time required to give him a hug.....Hmmmnnnngggg there you big brute you...lol

**Ngreth Thergn** · 10-17-2006, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by Eanelder

Sounds like fun

Will this likely be an expansion thing? Or mid-expansion bonus? (I can image this most likely wont be any time soon)

I don't know

**Elfdruidess** · 10-17-2006, 09:12 AM

Apart from changing the recipe for every old system researched spell (did any one count how many spells this involve?) and adding hide drops to zones of all expansions (loot table nightmare), this will also involve some "intend to be rare" spells made common. If the intention is to make those spells stay uncommon, something has to be deviced to keep them that way. Also, there will be a period when some recipes aren't correct and need amendments before they can be made etc.

No doubt, this will be an ideal for Research as a tradeskill. But it's a much bigger headache than it seems. Frankly, I'll rather see our Orge's time spent on something more time effective in the near future. Like adjusting DoN cultural drops

. Or put it another way, even though Research is my priority tradeskill, I don't think it's fair if revamping Research is handled before adjusting DoN cultural drops. Smiths and tailors (and wannabe users of DoN armor) have waited patiently for 4 expansions.

**Frontallobe** · 10-17-2006, 11:00 AM

Just a thought, but a possible method of keeping rare spells rare would be to require the rare component from the old research within the systematic research recipe. For example, Greater Remove Curse (C54) might have a recipe like
Runic Spell Scroll
Quill of the Archon
Ink of Terris Thule
Ameliorating Thickener
Ink Additive of the Nameless
and Yaeth's 73 Right

**Ngreth Thergn** · 10-18-2006, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by Frontallobe

Just a thought, but a possible method of keeping rare spells rare would be to require the rare component from the old research within the systematic research recipe. For example, Greater Remove Curse (C54) might have a recipe like
Runic Spell Scroll
Quill of the Archon
Ink of Terris Thule
Ameliorating Thickener
Ink Additive of the Nameless
and Yaeth's 73 Right

That was definitely one of our thoughts.

We have not settled on anything yet though.

**Eanelder** · 10-18-2006, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by Frontallobe

Just a thought, but a possible method of keeping rare spells rare would be to require the rare component from the old research within the systematic research recipe. For example, Greater Remove Curse (C54) might have a recipe like
Runic Spell Scroll
Quill of the Archon
Ink of Terris Thule
Ameliorating Thickener
Ink Additive of the Nameless
and Yaeth's 73 Right

Sorry dislike I dislike the idea, simply because it does not fit the systematic research principles.

This could be acceptable IF a new Remove Curse spell was added at the same level as RGC (CLR/54 PAL/60 DRU/54 SHM/54) which removes less curse counters then RGC (45) but more then Remove Curse (8). That spell recipe would be follow the systematic research system and would cause a conflict for RGC, in which case you would need the additonal rare component (Yaeth's 73 Right).

Did that make sense :P ?

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