is there a cost effective way to do 200 plus

[Ngreth Thergn]

I jsut considered base when I did the calculations.

[Elfdruidess]

I have considered putting acids on the vendor, but this would be save time/combines vs save money. They will be SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive to buy than to make. By a huge amount. on the order of 100X more expensive to buy from a vendor than to make it yourself.

"Acids" as in Aqua Regia and Muriatic Acid?

Or "Acids" as in Parchment Solutions?

Because 100X on the vendor cost of Aqua Regia/Muriatic Acid is actually cheaper than bazaar prices. But if it's 100X on the vendor cost of Parchment Solutions, then ok, it's expensive.

[Ozadar]

At least Crystallized Sulfur can drop from numerous zones. I'd settle for more places than CC and POI to farm Saltpeter. A few mobs in their 40's would be nice. Since you need twice as much Saltpeter as Crystallized Sulfure, more farming areas would be appreciated.

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[Qaladar Bragollach]

Since you need twice as much Saltpeter as Crystallized Sulfure, more farming areas would be appreciated.

On runic parchment cleansers you only need 4/3 as much, not twice as much.

[Brael]

You got lucky only needing 46 combines from 290-300, but I'm sure someone somewhere balanced you by needing 200+ .

After taking every single skill up to 300 (minus research, still working on that one) I'm sure I've balanced that out just on my own.

[Ngreth Thergn]

"Acids" as in Aqua Regia and Muriatic Acid?

Or "Acids" as in Parchment Solutions?

Because 100X on the vendor cost of Aqua Regia/Muriatic Acid is actually cheaper than bazaar prices. But if it's 100X on the vendor cost of Parchment Solutions, then ok, it's expensive.

Just the acid and not the solutions. you will still have to make the solutions.

And it will put a "soft cap" on Bazaar prices. people can still make it for the bazaar and sell it cheaper than 100X and make good profit.

[Zacatac]

Well the solutions take-

4 parts saltpeter (~40p each)
3 parts crystalized sulfer (~20p each)

To make the necessary acids. So over 200 plat right there for the bazaar bought materials, and then you have all the vendor bought stuff to mix into them.

Even though solutions are a huge pain, I'm not sure I'd want to pay 100x from a vendor. That would be over 20,000 plat!

I think maybe 5x or 10x would be more apporpriate.

[KyrosKrane]

Saltpeter, if found on a vendor, sells for about 1pp. Crystallized Sulfer sells for about 3g. That means the total "vendor cost" for those components is about 5pp total. I'm not sure what other components go into the acids, but that 200pp figure for just these components is wrong.

[Zacatac]

Ok, well I'm probably getting the responses mixed up, but they mentioned "100x" and also "bazaar prices softcap", so I thought they were actually doing saltpeter and crystalized sulfer using current bazaar sale pricing. But if they use vendor pricing, then sure, as it's already 40-50x less than bazaar prices.

[Ngreth Thergn]

Yes I would be using NPC vendor costs, not "bazaar" costs.

[paalrh]

then do it OGRE man !
go make em vendor sold.... you know you want to!
and later ill pay you in gnomes.

[Ivocare]

I dont think putting acids on vendors is going to help much. The massive amount of sub combines is tedious but hardly the roadblock for researching. Sulfur is hard to farm since it is random, but is cheap in the bazaar and usually there are large quantities (this may vary per server...). Saltpeter can be easily farmed as well in CC or PoI where mobs can drop up to 2 each and its on almost every kill.

Getting to 243 is not that expensive, solutions are time consuming, but not difficult to mass produce, and they are needed for 244+ skill ups so its not even making a useless product and research already has a good rate for skill ups. I don't really think anything needs to be changed to make it easier to get to 243.

244+ does need to be looked at I think, and this would have little impact on it (assuming you save your solutions along the way )

[Zacatac]

Saltpeter can be easily farmed as well in CC or PoI where mobs can drop up to 2 each and its on almost every kill.

You are mixing up your facts, making the sentence false.

1. Saltpeter drops at least 1, sometimes 2, on a small handfull of mobs in CC. However, once you kill those mobs, you must wait for respawn. I can solo the entire area, which means only 1 person at a time can farm that spot.

2. PoI on the other hand has room for several people to farm. However, mobs in PoI do NOT drop saltpeter "almost every kill". It's more like 1 in 4 kills. However, you can also get crystallized sulfer there. And of course the tinkerers will love you for farming parts for them.

Either way, you are looking at a limited number of drops per hour that you can farm. I'd say no more than 30 saltpeter per hour at best, which means I need about 3 hours worth just to do 20 spells.

I would never have enough time to farm my own at that rate. I buy most of what I need in the bazaar.

[Bobaten]

While it might be 30 per hour (maybe if you only kill reapers), the CC camp is generally camped by people looking for clockwork gnome bolts to make AAAA's. As a conservative estimate, I think that camp is probably taken 20 hours out of every day, so even at 30 per hour, that's 600 per day entering the world. I never have to farm saltpeter, it is so much easier to obtain than sulfur. Saltpeter I get as I find it on npcs or from friends who needed to farm CC for parts to make an AAAA, and even then I pass on some. Sulfur on the other hand is always the harder part to find. I have to buy out the bazaar, and regularly kill mobs that "sometimes" drop sulfur.

[Qaladar Bragollach]

Hmm... I find the complete opposite.

The bazaar on The Nameless (Innoruuk) currently has for sale...

Crystallized Sulfur: 300+
Saltpeter: 0