is there a cost effective way to do 200 plus

[koan decaster]

is there a good list on what spells u should make to do a cost effective way to increase your skill over 200 , sitting at 210 now but it is causeing may bank to look very small and it not being very big to start is really starting to hurt. Also i have found many recipes that done seem to work will start tracking them and post a list but it could just be me

[zephur]

Runic parchment solution to 243. Then just have to do 62-65 spells.

[Wyvernwill]

Farm CC for Reapers to get Saltpeter, sell everything else that drops in the bazaar.
Farm PoI for Saltpeter, can drop from every mob, sell everything else that drops in the bazaar. You'll make a lot of Tinkerer friends with the above two steps if you have low prices.

Farm either Sebilis, or Dulaks, Nodding Blue Lillies and Bloods/Meats sell well in the bazaar, plus you pick up Crystallized Sulfurs which you need.

Between Vendor Trashed loots as well as the constant supply of bazaar fodder, I ended up making almost 100k from farming 200-243. It takes longer, but it's worth it in the end.

[Varner]

Just a comment on Crystallized Sulfur, if you can or have friends who.. hunt in Plane of Fire for AA exp, the sulfur drops there like its going out of style. A single group can farm 4-5 stacks of Sulfur in 2 hours at Castle 2.

[Kahmon]

Just a comment on Crystallized Sulfur, if you can or have friends who.. hunt in Plane of Fire for AA exp, the sulfur drops there like its going out of style. A single group can farm 4-5 stacks of Sulfur in 2 hours at Castle 2.

You're thinking of Phosphorous Powder. I have never seen Crystalized Sulfur drop in any PoK zones. (except from vendor mining)

[paalrh]

you mean PoP zones offcourse. Personally I come across all the Crystalized stuff I need while cmaping othmirs. Othmirs actually can get profitable.... If only I could do them as rouge shroud so I could sell in teh zoen aswell. But oh well.

Also someone hasnt ever been in PoF if they tought that crystalized sulfur drops there

[Lillanu]

Also someone hasnt ever been in PoF if they tought that crystalized sulfur drops there

Sure they can, if they never do tradeskills, it might be easy to confuse phosporus powder, and crystallized sulfur. They both have the same graphics, except different colors... But if they don't tradeskill.. what are they doing here?

[Devilcharm]

No there is no cost effective way to do spell research unless you farm all old world pages.
Making solutions is a long ways off from cost effective, in fact it is so expensive getting to 243 (runic) that the plat invested in it, you can max both JC and Smithing for the same amount of platinum.

IMHO, research is severely broken in pricing. Good thing I have the plat to overlook the cost. Lol

[Wyvernwill]

Talk about an extreme over exageration. I made almost 100k over costs skilling up to 243 alone. Meaning money earned while farming + costs saved on components farmed - cost of vendor bought things (star rubies, gold/plat bars, etc).

Saltpeter - Farm Corrathus Creep (Creep Reapers) - Almost always get one Saltpeter a mob, clear the entire camp, including the squirmers. Sell the Clockwork Gnome Bolts, Corathus Skins, and other tinkering AAAA parts, and save your saltpeters.

If you can't get the CC camp, head to innovation. Save all of the tinkering drops, including the Golden Ember Powders which are used in Poison Making. Innovation made me almost as much cash as CC.

Crystallized Sulfur - Best place I found was tearing through the denizens of Dulak's Harbor. Lots of gem drops. One other thing to pay attention to is the meats and bloods that drop. Dark Elf and Iksar bloods were among my top sellers, Dark Elf, Iksar and Gnome meats were also big sellers.

Farm your combine stuff and Spell Research is easy, makes you money, and gives you the necessary items to move up the scale. And unlike Smithing, you are making something that is needed and usefull at the higher levels.

[Zacatac]

While I spent 300k doing reserach from 203-243, I saved every single one of the solutions and used them later for parchment combines. I then made spells, and sold the spells, and made back every bit of that money and more.

Research may be expensive to do, but you can't say it's broken when the results can actually be sold at a profit. You can't sell 1,000 mistletoe cutting sickles at a profit.

[Gorse]

I agree about the exageration. Of course, it can depend on the route one takes. I did not start Runic Parchments Solutions until I was at 204, and I got there farming or vendor diving for parts. I can see it getting expensive fast if one tries Runic Parchments from a low level, or buys everything in the bazaar.

And thankfully my research has not been costing near that (only ~65Kpp so far from 204 to 234), but like the lower level stuff, I have been farming almost all my parts (Saltpeter and Crystallized Sulfer).

I can't wait for the day the gnomes or the dwarves find a vein of Crystallized Sulfer and start selling it via a merchant.



Gorse

[Devilcharm]

How am I exagerating? From the combines your doing, it sounds like your already starting with a relatively high research skill (140+).

Make a new toon, just for the purposes of research where you have 0 points in it. If you want, go ahead and put in your first 21 points from there. Then add the cost as you go along to 243.

Lets see, you have to buy tons of platinum bars, gold bars, fire emeralds, fire opals, countless gnomish heat sources, not to mention all the other stuff like water flasks, empty vials... blah blah... oh, and I have not even touched saltpeters and crystallized sulfur.

[Wyvernwill]

The cost of doing research is still less than smithing or tinkering. In a way, I see it as considerably easier than tailoring also. Not to mention that it has an extremely smooth skill path all the way up to 300, unlike pretty much every other single tradeskills.

Sure, lower level people trying to buy parchments off of vendors in Bazaar are going to lose money, but that's the way the bazaar works more often than not. However, farming your way will create a rather nice nest egg. Especially if you are pricing the other drops right to the point that you liquidate them fast.

Doing it a step at a time does wonders for getting skill up.

[Gorse]

How am I exagerating? From the combines your doing, it sounds like your already starting with a relatively high research skill (140+).

Make a new toon, just for the purposes of research where you have 0 points in it. If you want, go ahead and put in your first 21 points from there. Then add the cost as you go along to 243.

Lets see, you have to buy tons of platinum bars, gold bars, fire emeralds, fire opals, countless gnomish heat sources, not to mention all the other stuff like water flasks, empty vials... blah blah... oh, and I have not even touched saltpeters and crystallized sulfur.

250 JC to 300 JC ~300Kpp vendoring diving and loots, not buying anything from bazaar.

204 research to 233 research 62Kpp, it will be probably another 20Kpp in the bars and such getting to 243 the next time I get parts horded.


If you are buying everything, and paying 100s or 1000s of pp for each part, then yes you will run up a fortune, but it would cost you far more on either JC or smithing if you used the same path (buying all the drops from the bazaar).


Using the tradeskill advanced calculator, assuming just using this recipe, and pay (a reaonsable price of) 25pp for each saltpeter and crystalline sulfer (calling it 300pp per combine for the runic parchment solution), assuming 143 starting skill, 243 stopping skill, assuming 255 WIS/INT and 5% mod, cost to 243: = 262,092.73, assuming you keep all the success, 168,502pp if you vendor sell the success at 142pp (and change) each.


Using the same assumptions for smithing, doing Mistletoe Cutting Sickles, just from 143 to 243, 255 primary stat, 5% mod, the total is 273,101pp (assuming no failures on any of the sub combines, assuming no cost for the imbuing). This was just for comparison.


For smithing 222-300, with same assumptions, it would cost 484,638pp.


Pushing research, 21 to 243, single recipe, same assumtions: 330,396pp. (201,964pp if you sell the successes to a merchant).

Pushng smithing, 21 to 300, single recipe, same assumptions: 745,922pp

So, looking at the numbers, getting research (from 21 or from 143) to 243, costs only about half the cost to get just smithing to max (300). Your previous statement that the cost to get to 243 research is more plat investment than JC and smithing combined is in fact an exageration.


Gorse

[Mahlig]

If you don't mind doing combines that are trivial, you can easily make thousands of plat on any server with research. I did it on Ayonae Ro, Bristlebane, Maelin Starpyre, Stormhammer, Luclin and will soon be doing it on Sleeper. I would say that an Enchanters research is easiest, then Wizard...but have not really tried it with Mages or Necros.

You can make scads of money with research at a skill of 100ish. I have not found another tradeskill (including Tinkering and Alchemy) that allowed for this at such a low skill level. None of the recommended paths use Fire Emeralds, Gold bars, etc before this skill level, so you should be making money, not losing it.