Question for the Mages

[Tudani]

I'm trying to find out if the spell "greater conjuration earth" can be researched. We used to have a recipe for this spell on the site, but changed it as the recipe we had was incorrect. The other three greater conjuration spells have recipes so it would seem that this one might as well. Anyways, if you have any information please post it to either this thread or in database updates submissions. We also appreciate information that would confirm that this cannot in fact be researched if that is the case.

Thanks!

[Doremi]

I'm trying to find out if the spell "greater conjuration earth" can be researched. We used to have a recipe for this spell on the site, but changed it as the recipe we had was incorrect. The other three greater conjuration spells have recipes so it would seem that this one might as well. Anyways, if you have any information please post it to either this thread or in database updates submissions. We also appreciate information that would confirm that this cannot in fact be researched if that is the case.

Thanks!

My magician is far too low to test this properly, but given the pattern for the other three Greater Conjuration recipes, if there's a recipe it might be 1 x Spell: Conjuration: Earth + 1 x Words of Bondage + 1 x <something earthy, e.g., Rune of Rathe or Essence of Rathe>. However, Essence of Rathe is already used to craft Spell: Conjuration: Earth, so I don't know that it'd be used again. Hopefully someone can follow up and test along these lines.

Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, but trawling the various mage boards, I don't see a recipe for this listed anywhere (it is vendor-bought).

[Mavick]

Have never seen

I have researched my way up (or at least Props has... but he's too short to reach the keyboard) and never found the recipe you're thinking of. I remember also looking across the boards for ANY indication that there was a recipe for that specific earth pet. I just gave up and bought it.

As for the 'absence of evidence'... I personally think that any researcher would shout out long and loud if they found a recipe to fill a hole like that one.


Mavick (for Props the terminally short)

[Zanaspus]

Let's see, it's been a while, but iirc, the spell is Vendor purchased. Wild guess, try elementalist Somat in PoK.

Don't believe this one is researchable.

[Konjure]

When I did it, admittedly 3 years ago or so (before EQTC had research recipes), there were several pet spells that you couldn't make. At that time all pet spells you could buy from your home-city guild vendors didn't have a recipe. If you looked at the pattern for pet-spell components and tried what "should" be the ingredients you would get a DNC message.

So unless they have added recipes for it - pet spells that exists on home home-city vendors can't be researched. (Some "newer" vendors like the one in Katta Castellum has pet spells that used to be research only.)

[Arfyak Reflux]

Has anyone verified...

Based off of the way the 44th level pet research is set up, it uses the same items as the 49th (ie tears of prexus, wings of xegony, breath of ro), the missing item may be essence of rathe.

The 44 ver requires:
1x Words of Incarceration
1x Essence of Rathe
1x Spell: Lesser Conjuration Earth

So I would see the 49th requiring:
1x Words of Bondage
1x Essence of Rathe
1x Spell: Conjuration Earth

If no one is able to give it a try before this weekend, I will when on.

[Dregh]

I'm trying to find out if the spell "greater conjuration earth" can be researched. We used to have a recipe for this spell on the site, but changed it as the recipe we had was incorrect. We also appreciate information that would confirm that this cannot in fact be researched if that is the case.

Thanks!

This spell is vendor purchased and cannot be made by research. The reason the old recipe didnt work is that there is no recipe for this spell.

Dregh Ulfr
65 Arch Convoker
Spellcrafter

[Elfdruidess]

*Starting City* vendor-purchased mage pet spells for lvls 34 to 49 do not have research recipes.

This include:
49 earth
44 fire
39 air, fire
34 earth, water

So, "Spell: Greater Conjuration: Earth" should not have a research recipe.

Also, "Spell: Conjuration: Fire" should not have a recipe either. It is marked as DNC on the research page atm.

[Tudani]

Ok, do we have any other loose floating mage pet research recipes that shouldn't be in the database that need to be removed? And are there any other vendors that sell "conjuration:fire" that we don't have listed?

[Dregh]

*Starting City* vendor-purchased mage pet spells for lvls 34 to 49 do not have research recipes.

This include:
49 earth
44 fire
39 air, fire
34 earth, water

So, "Spell: Greater Conjuration: Earth" should not have a research recipe.

Also, "Spell: Conjuration: Fire" should not have a recipe either. It is marked as DNC on the research page atm.

The levels above have been changed with the "some spells every level" change they made. The general statement is correct still, but for instance the 49 earth pet is now 46.

[Elfdruidess]

Ok, do we have any other loose floating mage pet research recipes that shouldn't be in the database that need to be removed? And are there any other vendors that sell "conjuration:fire" that we don't have listed?

In addition to what is listed (i.e. Katta), "Conjuration: Fire" is also sold in Ak'Kanon, Erudin, Felwithe, Freeport, Neriak, Qeynos, PoK and Abysmal Sea. Basically, it is sold on every vendor that also sells "Spell: Greater Conjuration: Earth", and then + Katta.

But what I don't understand is, when "Conjuration: Fire" does not have a research recipe, do you still list its vendors?

[Tudani]

the reason to list it's vendors is because it is used as a component for a research recipe (namely for greater conjuration fire). If it were only made with research and not used to make something else (like conjuration earth) we would not track vendor information for it.

[Elfdruidess]

I just went through the lvl 16 to 49 mage spells in the database. The only two spells that do not have research recipes are the ones mentioned above.